From belle at bigcountry.net  Fri Jan 16 15:22:00 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] welcome
Message-ID: <005e01c3dc76$c84802c0$1d2f2745@defaultcomp>

The only rule here is to keep the quilting talk on the quilting list:)   this list is to talk about all those life struggles that affect our weight and stress levels and to support each other in our diet and exercise

Belle



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 15:22:40 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Is anyone there?
Message-ID: <126.38e9c161.2d39b020@aol.com>

Hi healthy bees.  Has anyone else signed up yet?  Connie in Colorado



From pkallers at budsters.com  Fri Jan 16 17:46:18 2004
From: pkallers at budsters.com (pkallers)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Hi!
Message-ID: <007701c3dc8b$0b91b850$208f27d8@Computerroom>

I feel healthier already!!  Pam-Bremerton WA

(I made it to Curves 4 times this week, so maybe I am!)


From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Fri Jan 16 17:58:10 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Hi!
References: <007701c3dc8b$0b91b850$208f27d8@Computerroom>
Message-ID: <01f201c3dc8c$9ae90340$0d00000a@candy>

oooff  --  this week I am not being healthy, came back from Maui
with bruised feet from all the scrambling over lava and a four-mile
walk (800 ft elevation gain) to a remote waterfall (was worth it),
so I'm staying off those feet and doing what I can to keep my
appetite in check ...

however I found out I can NOT surf successfully until I get my
tummy-fat disposed of, I just don't <bend> the way I'd need to,
and I saw how much fun the others in the class were having,
so I'll be working on that all spring ...

Candy




From gmasue at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 16 18:02:36 2004
From: gmasue at earthlink.net (Grandma Sue)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Hi!
In-Reply-To: <007701c3dc8b$0b91b850$208f27d8@Computerroom>
Message-ID: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOEEBFFOAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>

Me too!!!!

I have Blue Shield 65+ and they offer a Silver Sneakers program.  One of the
benefits is complete membership in a local facility for $12.00 a month.
Well, our local facility is Spectrum Club, which normally costs 70+.  So
they have classes on Tuesday & Thursdays - Now I used to use the weight
equipment at the Y and was lifting a total of 4,000+ lbs (on 12 machines) so
I thought this class sitting in a chair was going to be a piece of cake -
NOT!!!!!!  It's a real workout!!!!  But I love it!  Class is so much nicer
than doing it by myself!  Next week our trainer (who used to be one of my
sewing students, LOLOL) is going to set me up on some machines - ugh!!!

??? Grandma Sue
Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
http://home.earthlink.net/~gmasue/
<http://www.geocities.com/winroseshelties>
Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
Southern California



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> To: healthybees@maddoc.net
> Subject: [Healthybees] Hi!
>
>
> I feel healthier already!!  Pam-Bremerton WA
>
> (I made it to Curves 4 times this week, so maybe I am!)
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From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Fri Jan 16 18:45:49 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] I'm ready!!!
Message-ID: <992-400885BD-135@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

Where is everyone?   Toni in PA


From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 16 18:51:18 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] gym ?
Message-ID: <40088706.60805@comcast.net>

I have a question for those of you who actually go someplace to workout, 
do they have beginner sessions for those fat out of shape misfits who'd 
like to start doing the right thing?  I'm not sure I'd want to have to 
drive very far to do something like that.  It would depend on how far.

I told Connie earlier I am fat and unhealthy and am a stress and binge 
eater.  So from there, it has to be all uphill.  I was really doing 
pretty good on the Atkins diet then we were notified about the hearings 
and I started going downhill.  Sewing is probably the only thing that 
has helped.  I just can't seem to get back on track now.  I really need 
to start walking in the mornings.  That helped me a lot before.  Haven't 
done any real walking in months.  I've gained back 10 that I'd lost. 
I'd lost 20 before, so I'm still down 10, but I want to start going the 
other way now.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 22:59:08 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Hi!
Message-ID: <8a.162b232.2d3a1b1c@aol.com>

Those machines can work wonders!  Connie



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 23:22:20 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Motivation
Message-ID: <4d.39dfd072.2d3a208c@aol.com>

How about everybody listing a reason or two they want to lose weight -- 
negative experiences they may have had being overweight, and then maybe a couple of 
positive reasons to lose weight.

I remember a couple of years ago I went to a retreat with several families 
that were associated with missionaries that my husband grew up with.  We went to 
a Colorado Ranch.  People over 200 lbs were advised either not to ride the 
horses or they would rig us up with a special horse that could carry that much 
weight.  Well, I wanted to ride, but I sure wasn't going to admit that I was 
over 200 pounds.  Guess I was in denial!  

Since then I've lost 43 lbs exercising at Curves and using the curves diet.  
I can tell you I have more energy, can bend over to tie my shoes without 
cutting off my air supply, don't get tired climbing stairs, feel better trying 
active things (like dancing, etc.), even my complexion is better (could be all the 
water - 8 cups a day).  Plus I've met a lot of nice ladies at the gym.  I am 
putting in a application to be the local Curves Sweetheart on Monday.

Someone asked if there was a beginner program at the gyms.  I know at Curves 
it isn't hard to do the machines.  They explain each machine to you and 
actually do an entire workout with you.  They also have videos that explain each 
machine.

I would still like to lose 23 pounds -- about.  I'm really trying to get my 
Body Mass Index to 27 as a start, but don't know how many pounds that will 
actually be.  My husband would like to climb Pike's Peak -- maybe I'll do it with 
him to keep him motivated -- doesn't sound like too much fun to me!  What are 
some of your goals.  Maybe we could report in progress weekly to keep us 
accountable.


Connie in Colorado



From wjmj7 at bigpond.com  Sat Jan 17 08:06:41 2004
From: wjmj7 at bigpond.com (Jenny Bowman)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Hi!
Message-ID: <008501c3dd03$24ef2a80$03000004@oem>

Thought I'd join in.  Must lose more weight!. Must get more active!.
We talk in kilos over here - I put 2 kilos on over Christmas :-(
after getting down to 66 kilos from 74 kilos.  So now I'm 68 kilos
again.
I've tried to get back to my wheat free diet but am having trouble -
my excuse being that the kids are on holidays and they make me eat
stuff I shouldn't!  Thats bad isn't it!  Bad Bad me blaming the kids.
Ok I went for a walk today - I went for 2 walks yesterday and 1 walk
the day before.  I'm quite pleased about that.  I'm not beating myself
up Im just going to get motivated !!  I am only 5 feet tall.....or
short......whichever way you want to look at it!.  I'm about 10 kilos
overweight.  Short and weighty with big breasts does not look good on
me.
Ok so I will promise to try and walk once a day for 5 days a week.
Just a short walk down town to start with, then I'll re-assess in a
couple of weeks.
Today I only had some wheat with my evening meal - did very well at
breakfast and lunch.
I'm going up to my mums to cook myself some fried rice to put in the
freezer for my lunches.  My stove is not fully working and can't
afford to fix it.  Can't cook anything that requires a large pan.

Jenny who is gonna get motivated.
in Australia




From ew54926 at alltel.net  Sat Jan 17 08:50:20 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Motivation
Message-ID: <40094BAC.000003.41689@OEMCOMPUTER>

In response to Connie's suggestion -  -  I need to lose
to get a better control on diabetes.  I gain so easily and
if I do, the numbers go up, more medication, and I run
the risk of having to take insulin shots.  I also have
circulation problems in the legs so I can't walk very far.
I have an excercycle I used to work an hour a day but I
can't do that since the circulation thing developed.  
     There are far too many "I"s in the above paragraph,
but that's the situation so I'll see if this group keeps me
motivated to watch those servings and snacks!
         Jeanne 


From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 09:04:03 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diabetes
Message-ID: <87.34d8299.2d3aa8e3@aol.com>

Jeanne,  Supposedly I'm am pre-diabetic -- whatever that means.  My father 
had diabetes, mother has it, Grandfather had it, so I guess I'm a prime target 
for it.  In any case I don't want it so the threat of it is a major motivation 
for me also.  I have no desire to test my blood several times a day -- did it 
for a couple and grew tired of that very quickly -- let alone take medication 
of any kind for it, but especially the shots.  Worse yet would be the nasty 
complications that come with diabetes.  My father was legally blind at his death 
and he had a hard time geting around because of lack of balance from poor 
circulaiton.  He died from congestive heart failure.  My grandfather lost one of 
his legs up to his knee (in his late 80s).  Thankfully my mother does quite 
well with hers.  She takes care of herself though -- walks daily, keeps her 
weight under control, watches her sugar.  At any rate, keeping diabetes in control 
or preventing it are both very good reasons to diet.  Connie



From deegee at humboldt1.com  Sat Jan 17 12:11:36 2004
From: deegee at humboldt1.com (Darlene Garrity)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weight Watchers
Message-ID: <000b01c3dd25$5916c9e0$b22764d8@default>

I am Darlene in Upstate California.

I have been a lifetime member of Weight Watchers since 1985.   I fell off of the
weight watcher wagon and gained back all I lost plus in about 15 years.  I went
back to Weight Watchers and with the newer point system that is so much easier
to follow, got back to my "goal" weight which we had adjusted up a little due to
my age and arthritis which makes it difficult to exercise.  I lost exactly 50
pounds.   I managed to maintain my goal weight for a year but again am over, but
only by about eight pounds.  I attend weight watchers regularly but just don't
seem to have the motivation to really stick with it the plan.  Maybe by
reporting my losses to you all, I will be more.  I am determined not to buy any
new clothes that are larger than what I have now which are mostly 16's and 14's.
Okay, it is a sunny day, Darlene, get out there and take a walk!

Darlene in Upstate California
(Rio Dell on Hwy 101)



From ew54926 at alltel.net  Sat Jan 17 13:56:57 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Report once a week?
Message-ID: <40099389.00000E.22953@OEMCOMPUTER>

How would it be, Bees, if we report gains or losses
once a week?   Like maybe Monday ? Or is Saturday
a better choice for those of you who work?  
     Jeanne


From jburns at bak.rr.com  Sat Jan 17 14:09:56 2004
From: jburns at bak.rr.com (John and Carolyn Burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diabetes
In-Reply-To: <87.34d8299.2d3aa8e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3dd35$e0a4ae80$50dca118@office>

The doctor says I am pre-diabetic and that put me on the modified Adkins
Diet. My mother and father had diabetes now my sister, brother and
husband have it and I want no part of it. For a while I was strictly
sticking to the Adkins diet but now it is kind of modified. I have been
eating grapefruit and with Adkins there is no fruit allowed and
occasionally I will have beans and cornbread but other than that I am
eating no bread or potatoes or starchy vegetables. It is a royal pain
but I sure don't want to be on medication for diabetes it is bad enough
with high blood pressure to have to take 3 pills a day but I can live
with that. I just need to get started on the exercise program to help
things along.
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA      

-----Original Message-----
From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]
On Behalf Of Cwkalina@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:04 AM
To: healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: [Healthybees] Diabetes


Jeanne,  Supposedly I'm am pre-diabetic -- whatever that means.  My
father 
had diabetes, mother has it, Grandfather had it, so I guess I'm a prime
target 
for it.  In any case I don't want it so the threat of it is a major
motivation 
for me also.  I have no desire to test my blood several times a day --
did it 
for a couple and grew tired of that very quickly -- let alone take
medication 
of any kind for it, but especially the shots.  Worse yet would be the
nasty 
complications that come with diabetes.  My father was legally blind at
his death 
and he had a hard time geting around because of lack of balance from
poor 
circulaiton.  He died from congestive heart failure.  My grandfather
lost one of 
his legs up to his knee (in his late 80s).  Thankfully my mother does
quite 
well with hers.  She takes care of herself though -- walks daily, keeps
her 
weight under control, watches her sugar.  At any rate, keeping diabetes
in control 
or preventing it are both very good reasons to diet.  Connie


_


From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 14:21:31 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Mondays
Message-ID: <145.20a5ccd1.2d3af34b@aol.com>

Mondays is best for me, but any day will do.  Connie



From ew54926 at alltel.net  Sat Jan 17 14:30:31 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diabetes
References: <000b01c3dd35$e0a4ae80$50dca118@office>
Message-ID: <40099B67.000011.22953@OEMCOMPUTER>

What in the world are you eating, Carolyn, if you can't
have fruit, starches on this diet?     I need to watch
red meats because of cholesterol.   Red meat also
brings my glucose count up.
       Jeanne 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: John and Carolyn Burns
Date: 01/17/2004 02:10:02 PM
To: Cwkalina@aol.com; healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: RE: [Healthybees] Diabetes
 
The doctor says I am pre-diabetic and that put me on the modified Adkins
Diet. My mother and father had diabetes now my sister, brother and
husband have it and I want no part of it. For a while I was strictly
sticking to the Adkins diet but now it is kind of modified. I have been
eating grapefruit and with Adkins there is no fruit allowed and
occasionally I will have beans and cornbread but other than that I am
eating no bread or potatoes or starchy vegetables. It is a royal pain
but I sure don't want to be on medication for diabetes it is bad enough
with high blood pressure to have to take 3 pills a day but I can live
with that. I just need to get started on the exercise program to help
things along.
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA
 
-----Original Message-----
From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]
On Behalf Of Cwkalina@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:04 AM
To: healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: [Healthybees] Diabetes
 
 
Jeanne,  Supposedly I'm am pre-diabetic -- whatever that means.  My
father
had diabetes, mother has it, Grandfather had it, so I guess I'm a prime
target
for it.  In any case I don't want it so the threat of it is a major
motivation
for me also.  I have no desire to test my blood several times a day --
did it
for a couple and grew tired of that very quickly -- let alone take
medication
of any kind for it, but especially the shots.  Worse yet would be the
nasty
complications that come with diabetes.  My father was legally blind at
his death
and he had a hard time geting around because of lack of balance from
poor
circulaiton.  He died from congestive heart failure.  My grandfather
lost one of
his legs up to his knee (in his late 80s).  Thankfully my mother does
quite
well with hers.  She takes care of herself though -- walks daily, keeps
her
weight under control, watches her sugar.  At any rate, keeping diabetes
in control
or preventing it are both very good reasons to diet.  Connie
 
 
_
 
_______________________________________________
Healthybees mailing list
Healthybees@maddoc.net
http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sat Jan 17 17:22:00 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] RE: [Healthybees]
In-Reply-To: "walsh" <ew54926@alltel.net>'s message of Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:30:31 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
Message-ID: <976-4009C398-3378@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

I think it's a great idea to have to report in on our success and
failures. I'm a yo yo --gained and lost the same 20-40 pounds over and
over since I was in the 5th grade. I had reached my highest weight ever
two weeks ago- that's when I started dieting again. What makes it worse
is that I'm almost 2 1/2 inches shorter than I use to be- because of
dessicated disks in my spine.  So now being shorter- I should weigh even
less...I'm also a lifetime member of WW and did the Atkins diet when I
first came out - in the 60's or 70's?  I know what to eat and what not
to eat- don't we all?? We eat  the way we were brought up -with all the
'goodies' that should be called 'baddies'. My weakness was always ice
cream- I could finish a half gallon all by my self in a day.....So now
that's why  I'm now on the South Beach Diet (rated the best on 3 TV
shows this week- I'm glad to hear)  It's very much like the other
low-carb diets but healthier I think. The book explains how the body
uses the different foods... First 2 weeks I can't have fruit-or the
white stuff - like sugar and starches or starchy veggies.  It's been
surprisingly easy- especially surprised with Jack - as he could go
through 2  loafs or more of bread a week himself not to mention sweets-
like pies - brownies  and cup cakes. The cravings are gone. Next week we
can add things like whole grain oatmeal-fruit-etc----I have to go check
the book- 2 more days till phase one is up....We usually did walking for
excercise- 2 miles a day- but the weather has been too cold..... I'll be
glad to share what this book says about certain foods and how they act
in the body. Mon will be week 2 weigh in for us. I'm aiming for a 30
pound weight loss-40 would be perfect- but I'll take 30.  When I told
Jack that a lot of the Cyberbees are dieting he said "no wonder!!! "all
you do all day is sit on your___ sewing or emailing each other"   He
said this while in a horizontal position with the remote in his hand.
eh hem!!!!    Toni in PA

My Photo Albums: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4004684  


From jburns at bak.rr.com  Sat Jan 17 18:42:24 2004
From: jburns at bak.rr.com (John and Carolyn Burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] RE: [Healthybees]
In-Reply-To: <976-4009C398-3378@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001401c3dd5b$f0dfd830$50dca118@office>

Toni, The South Beach diet sounds a lot like The Adkins thing, I will be
honest I have not read the whole Adkins book just did a spot read on the
foods for the first two weeks. I think you can add foods that have Carbs
in them  after the two weeks until you get where you are no longer
losing weight. Then you have to cut carbs until you start losing again.
I have not lost all that much weight since going on it but I've lost
quite a few inches. As I said before I need to start exercising but that
has been hard to do. My husband has had a lot of medical problems in the
past year and has had to give up his business due to those medical
problems and it now waiting for back surgery in the next week or two so
there has been a lot of stress eating going on here. We hope to get on
track after the back surgery is over and start walking but I don't know
how long that will be, the doctor said recovery will be 4 to 5 months. I
bought a yoga tape but I had much rather walk than do any other exercise
that I can think of.  
I need to lose 80 pounds then I would be happy and my doctor would too
since I'm sure my sugar would come down and my blood pressure too.
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA




-----Original Message-----
From: Toni [mailto:Y2Kswap@webtv.net] 
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:22 PM
To: walsh
Cc: jburns@bak.rr.com; healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: RE: [Healthybees]


I think it's a great idea to have to report in on our success and
failures. I'm a yo yo --gained and lost the same 20-40 pounds over and
over since I was in the 5th grade. I had reached my highest weight ever
two weeks ago- that's when I started dieting again. What makes it worse
is that I'm almost 2 1/2 inches shorter than I use to be- because of
dessicated disks in my spine.  So now being shorter- I should weigh even
less...I'm also a lifetime member of WW and did the Atkins diet when I
first came out - in the 60's or 70's?  I know what to eat and what not
to eat- don't we all?? We eat  the way we were brought up -with all the
'goodies' that should be called 'baddies'. My weakness was always ice
cream- I could finish a half gallon all by my self in a day.....So now
that's why  I'm now on the South Beach Diet (rated the best on 3 TV
shows this week- I'm glad to hear)  It's very much like the other
low-carb diets but healthier I think. The book explains how the body
uses the different foods... First 2 weeks I can't have fruit-or the
white stuff - like sugar and starches or starchy veggies.  It's been
surprisingly easy- especially surprised with Jack - as he could go
through 2  loafs or more of bread a week himself not to mention sweets-
like pies - brownies  and cup cakes. The cravings are gone. Next week we
can add things like whole grain oatmeal-fruit-etc----I have to go check
the book- 2 more days till phase one is up....We usually did walking for
excercise- 2 miles a day- but the weather has been too cold..... I'll be
glad to share what this book says about certain foods and how they act
in the body. Mon will be week 2 weigh in for us. I'm aiming for a 30
pound weight loss-40 would be perfect- but I'll take 30.  When I told
Jack that a lot of the Cyberbees are dieting he said "no wonder!!! "all
you do all day is sit on your___ sewing or emailing each other"   He
said this while in a horizontal position with the remote in his hand.
eh hem!!!!    Toni in PA

My Photo Albums: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4004684  


From jragels at comcast.net  Sat Jan 17 19:09:26 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Comment/suggestion
Message-ID: <4009DCC6.601@comcast.net>

I like several of the ideas you all have given.

I think it is a good idea to have one day where we all report in what we 
weigh and how much that has changed from the week before.

Habit is what got me into this mess and I figure habit is what is going 
to get me out.  My biggest problem is that food has always been my 
reward.  If I was good, I got a cookie.  When I was feeling good, I ate. 
  When I was feeling bad, I ate.  When I was depressed, I ate.  When I 
get stressed, that is my worst time.  Emotional stress is an excuse for 
me to run to food - normally all that high calorie stuff - who in their 
right mind would want a carrot instead of a piece of cheesecake or 
chocolate?  I've just recently been substituting other rewards except 
food.  I've been trying to drink more water.

I was at 222.  Got down to 203.  Went back up to 212.  Now I'm back down 
to 210.  I used to be 5'1 1/2".  I was always VERY proud of that 1/2". 
I am now 5' 1/4" and by now I may have lost that 1/4".  God forbid I'm 
under 5'.  I'm not ready to face that one yet! :)

Brownie and I married 1-1-1966.  I weighed 110.  Now maybe I'll never 
see 110 again and maybe that is not even realistic, but I don't think I 
want to weigh over 140 when this is all said and done.  I'm going to 
shoot for some kind of a reasonable weight loss.  It took me a lot of 
years to put all this on and it is going to take a while to get it off.

I'm a stress eater and a binge eater.  I'm really hoping this group will 
help me get a handle on this.  I know I sabotage myself and don't really 
have a good reason why I do that.  I am diabetic and have high blood 
pressure.  If I want to see my grandsons grown, I'm just going to have 
to take better care of myself.

Looking fwd to goals achieved, good recipes, good snack ideas (I really 
need some of those and I don't do carrots).

Good luck to us all.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jburns at bak.rr.com  Sat Jan 17 19:07:17 2004
From: jburns at bak.rr.com (John and Carolyn Burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diabetes
In-Reply-To: <40099B67.000011.22953@OEMCOMPUTER>
Message-ID: <001501c3dd5f$6ac087a0$50dca118@office>

Jeanne, 
I can eat any meat that I want to as long as it is not coated in flour,
any vegetable except dried beans, potatoes or corn any vegetable that is
starchy is a no- no. I eat a lot of zuchinni, green beans, squash,
eggplant, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers,  collard greens, swiss chard,
cabbage, broccli, cauliflower, carrots. I'm not bragging but I live in
California where you can get good fresh produce and fruit year round.
That is a plus for living here where as the earthquakes are a minus. LOL

 
So far I have not had any problem with my cholesterol but my husband has
he is on Lipitor (but his total cholestrol is not the problem), his good
cholestrol was too low but Lipitor has brought it back up to where it
should be.
 
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA    

 




From belle at bigcountry.net  Sat Jan 17 19:23:20 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] adkins diet
Message-ID: <00e901c3dd61$a934ec90$602f2745@defaultcomp>

I see several are on the Adkins diet , I was on it , when I had my gallbladder my surgeon made me get off of it he said he did not like the look of my liver and the Adkins high fat diet was bad on the liver


Belle

Belle's Creations 
http://www.bellescreations.com/
Cyberbees Quilting
http://www.cyberbees.net
http://www.quiltingisfun.com


From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 09:33:17 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] MMC?
Message-ID: <400AA73D.2040504@comcast.net>

Are we going to adopt the MMC on this list as well?  I would suggest 
that the authorize chat day and weigh in not be on the same day.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 09:40:06 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Recipes
Message-ID: <400AA8D6.4030908@comcast.net>

How about everyone sending in recipes that are good for a diet?

I need snack ideas.  I do cheese.  I do turkey.  I can do celery.  What 
else is quick, easy, filling?

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 09:40:31 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Mock Potato Salad
Message-ID: <400AA8EF.5030108@comcast.net>

This is a very good salad.

Mock Potato Salad (Atkins Approved)

Dressing:
3/4 c Mayonnaise (no Substitute)
1 T Cream
1 T Water
1 T Yellow Mustard
1 T Vinegar
3 T Splenda

Veggies:
2 lb Cauliflower, Partially Cooked, cut into small flowerets
1/2 c Celery, Diced
1/2 c Onion, Diced
1/2 c Green Pepper, Diced
6   Hard Boiled Eggs, Diced

Prepare dressing. Prepare veggies. Use only enough dressing to coat 
veggies. When I make this recipe I use half the recommended veggies and 
use only  half the dressing. I then save the remaining dressing for egg 
salad, as dressing on a green salad or as a head start on a second batch 
of Mock Potato salad.


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From belle at bigcountry.net  Sun Jan 18 10:19:27 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] MMC?
References: <400AA73D.2040504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005501c3ddde$db8bdb40$292f2745@defaultcomp>

Hey I can't even seem to keep the other list on topic except for Monday chat :)   , I would like to have a Monday weight in but it is not mandatory only if your comfortable doing that , I think having a specific topic for this list would be hard since weight has such a big part on all parts of our life


Belle



Joyce Ragels wrote:
> Are we going to adopt the MMC on this list as well?  I would suggest
> that the authorize chat day and weigh in not be on the same day.
> 
> J

Belle's Creations
http://www.bellescreations.com/
Cyberbees Quilting
http://www.cyberbees.net
http://www.quiltingisfun.com


From pkallers at budsters.com  Sun Jan 18 10:24:19 2004
From: pkallers at budsters.com (pkallers)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] MMC?
References: <400AA73D.2040504@comcast.net> <005501c3ddde$db8bdb40$292f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <005601c3dddf$89d9be60$af8627d8@Computerroom>

I would do the weigh in every week, but my scale is broken.  Honest.
So till I get a new one, I'll have to let you know if my pants feel any
looser.  Pam-Bremerton WA


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sun Jan 18 11:05:42 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] MMC?
In-Reply-To: Joyce Ragels <jragels@comcast.net>'s message of Sun, 18 Jan
	2004 08:33:17 -0700
Message-ID: <27484-400ABCE6-126@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

My family weighs in on Mondays -so what ever we decide I'll give
Monday's weight.  We can chat every day!    Toni


From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 11:15:19 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] MMC?
References: <400AA73D.2040504@comcast.net> <005501c3ddde$db8bdb40$292f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <400ABF27.7000607@comcast.net>

Belle

That was funny! :)  But you do have a hard task of trying to keep us all 
corralled.  You have made a good point.  No sense in adding obstacles or 
complicated.

J

Evelyn Long wrote:
> Hey I can't even seem to keep the other list on topic except for Monday chat :)   , I would like to have a Monday weight in but it is not mandatory only if your comfortable doing that , I think having a specific topic for this list would be hard since weight has such a big part on all parts of our life
> 
> 
> Belle
> 
> 
> 
> Joyce Ragels wrote:
> 
>>Are we going to adopt the MMC on this list as well?  I would suggest
>>that the authorize chat day and weigh in not be on the same day.
>>
>>J
> 
> 
> Belle's Creations
> http://www.bellescreations.com/
> Cyberbees Quilting
> http://www.cyberbees.net
> http://www.quiltingisfun.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sun Jan 18 11:53:00 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] adkins diet
In-Reply-To: "Evelyn Long" <belle@bigcountry.net>'s message of Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:23:20 -0600
Message-ID: <26131-400AC7FC-508@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

 Belle,  Wow!  Were you on the diet when you developed your gallbladder
problem?  Because that 'gallbladder' was a major problem reported way
back when the diet first came out. I was really surprised when this book
came out again because of all the controversy it caused then. I was on
it - but didn't follow it too long after hearing these things. That's
when I turned to WW.  Toni in PA


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sun Jan 18 12:29:09 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Mock Potato Salad
In-Reply-To: Joyce Ragels <jragels@comcast.net>'s message of Sun, 18 Jan
	2004 08:40:31 -0700
Message-ID: <26130-400AD075-881@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

I want to say this before I comment on 'MY' diet  any further:  Any
thing I say to compare- is just that comparing diets- I'm not saying
what I'm doing is any better.  Just wan't you to see the differences. I
respect everyone's choices.  The difference with SBD (South Beach Diet
so you know what I'm talking about when I use the abbreviation) and
Atkins - though similar- is that there are restrictions on fats.  Olive
oil and Canola.  Most meats are allowed except for the high fat ones.  I
can't believe it's not butter spray is listed (don't care for that
one)and so is Smart Balance which we always used anyway..  I have to
read the second phase of this book today-I can't believe DH has stayed
with it the whole 2 weeks - he's ready for more variety. My book has a
recipe for mock mashed potatoes using Cauliflower- but it doesn't sound
as good as one I saw on TV that used low fat cream cheese instead of fat
free half and half.. After I experiment I'll give you the recipe.  J -
I'm going to try your recipe too.    Toni


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sun Jan 18 12:41:27 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Snacks
In-Reply-To: Joyce Ragels <jragels@comcast.net>'s message of Sun, 18 Jan
	2004 08:40:06 -0700
Message-ID: <26130-400AD357-907@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

J ,  Snacks: what you said and  nuts- listed in SBD: snack size 20
peanuts -15 pecan haves - 30 pistachios.  Not all at once!!! ;-)  And
sugar free Jello every day.  I also bought some Baskin Robbins sugar
free hard candy after hearing somone rave about it on DJ list.  I allow
myself 2 a day- it's really delicious- comes in fruit and choco mint
flavors.  Toni


From don_varner at msn.com  Sun Jan 18 13:19:59 2004
From: don_varner at msn.com (Don Varner)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Snacks
Message-ID: <BAY3-F10b81IfpT8vWy0003fca3@hotmail.com>

Hi Toni,

Where do you buy that Baskin Robbins candy?  At the ice cream store?  That 
sounds like something I'd like to try.

Carolyn in NW FL


>From: Y2Kswap@webtv.net (Toni)
>To: jragels@comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
>CC: healthybees@maddoc.net (Healthy Bee)
>Subject: Re: [Healthybees] Snacks
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:41:27 -0500 (EST)
>
>J ,  Snacks: what you said and  nuts- listed in SBD: snack size 20
>peanuts -15 pecan haves - 30 pistachios.  Not all at once!!! ;-)  And
>sugar free Jello every day.  I also bought some Baskin Robbins sugar
>free hard candy after hearing somone rave about it on DJ list.  I allow
>myself 2 a day- it's really delicious- comes in fruit and choco mint
>flavors.  Toni
>
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From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 13:58:27 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Mock Potato Salad
References: <26130-400AD075-881@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <400AE563.3000603@comcast.net>

Toni

I believe that is really the correct attitude.  We've all probably tried 
various diets that we liked, didn't like, or that worked or didn't work. 
  Only by giving our opinions are we each going to know.  We may each be 
so satisfied with what we are doing now that we'll stick with it, but 
someone else could enlighten us.  How could that be a bad thing?

Besides you've already answered my question as to somy of the ways SBD 
and Atkins differ.

J

Toni wrote:
> I want to say this before I comment on 'MY' diet  any further:  Any
> thing I say to compare- is just that comparing diets- I'm not saying
> what I'm doing is any better.  Just wan't you to see the differences. I
> respect everyone's choices.  The difference with SBD (South Beach Diet
> so you know what I'm talking about when I use the abbreviation) and
> Atkins - though similar- is that there are restrictions on fats.  Olive
> oil and Canola.  Most meats are allowed except for the high fat ones.  I
> can't believe it's not butter spray is listed (don't care for that
> one)and so is Smart Balance which we always used anyway..  I have to
> read the second phase of this book today-I can't believe DH has stayed
> with it the whole 2 weeks - he's ready for more variety. My book has a
> recipe for mock mashed potatoes using Cauliflower- but it doesn't sound
> as good as one I saw on TV that used low fat cream cheese instead of fat
> free half and half.. After I experiment I'll give you the recipe.  J -
> I'm going to try your recipe too.    Toni
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From ndill4 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 14:06:07 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Comment/suggestion
References: <4009DCC6.601@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c3ddfe$8288f030$72b03d44@compaq>

Joyce,
I was at 276 and now I'm at 190.  I, too, was a reward eater, I would go to
the Dr for a checkup and if I hadn't gained weight, I would stop on the way
home and get something to eat that I didn't need.  Of course I wouldn't tell
anyone.  I was also eating when I was depressed, happy, just about anytime.
So don't beat yourself up.  They say it takes 7 times of doing something to
make it a habit, maybe it also takes 7 times of not doing it to break that
habit.
Anyway I am here for support, I just hope it's not the blind leading the
blind, I'll count on your support also.
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>
To: "Healthy Bee" <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:09 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] Comment/suggestion


> I like several of the ideas you all have given.
>
> I think it is a good idea to have one day where we all report in what we
> weigh and how much that has changed from the week before.
>
> Habit is what got me into this mess and I figure habit is what is going
> to get me out.  My biggest problem is that food has always been my
> reward.  If I was good, I got a cookie.  When I was feeling good, I ate.
>   When I was feeling bad, I ate.  When I was depressed, I ate.  When I
> get stressed, that is my worst time.  Emotional stress is an excuse for
> me to run to food - normally all that high calorie stuff - who in their
> right mind would want a carrot instead of a piece of cheesecake or
> chocolate?  I've just recently been substituting other rewards except
> food.  I've been trying to drink more water.
>
> I was at 222.  Got down to 203.  Went back up to 212.  Now I'm back down
> to 210.  I used to be 5'1 1/2".  I was always VERY proud of that 1/2".
> I am now 5' 1/4" and by now I may have lost that 1/4".  God forbid I'm
> under 5'.  I'm not ready to face that one yet! :)
>
> Brownie and I married 1-1-1966.  I weighed 110.  Now maybe I'll never
> see 110 again and maybe that is not even realistic, but I don't think I
> want to weigh over 140 when this is all said and done.  I'm going to
> shoot for some kind of a reasonable weight loss.  It took me a lot of
> years to put all this on and it is going to take a while to get it off.
>
> I'm a stress eater and a binge eater.  I'm really hoping this group will
> help me get a handle on this.  I know I sabotage myself and don't really
> have a good reason why I do that.  I am diabetic and have high blood
> pressure.  If I want to see my grandsons grown, I'm just going to have
> to take better care of myself.
>
> Looking fwd to goals achieved, good recipes, good snack ideas (I really
> need some of those and I don't do carrots).
>
> Good luck to us all.
>
> J
> -- 
> Joyce Ragels
>
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
>
>
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From ndill4 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 14:07:43 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diabetes
References: <001501c3dd5f$6ac087a0$50dca118@office>
Message-ID: <002101c3ddfe$bc02aef0$72b03d44@compaq>

my triclycerides were off the chart, now with my weight loss, they are at
133.  My Dr is very pleased.  I wish that was my weight.
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John and Carolyn Burns" <jburns@bak.rr.com>
To: "'walsh'" <ew54926@alltel.net>
Cc: <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Healthybees] Diabetes


> Jeanne,
> I can eat any meat that I want to as long as it is not coated in flour,
> any vegetable except dried beans, potatoes or corn any vegetable that is
> starchy is a no- no. I eat a lot of zuchinni, green beans, squash,
> eggplant, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers,  collard greens, swiss chard,
> cabbage, broccli, cauliflower, carrots. I'm not bragging but I live in
> California where you can get good fresh produce and fruit year round.
> That is a plus for living here where as the earthquakes are a minus. LOL
>
>
> So far I have not had any problem with my cholesterol but my husband has
> he is on Lipitor (but his total cholestrol is not the problem), his good
> cholestrol was too low but Lipitor has brought it back up to where it
> should be.
>
> Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA
>
>
>
>
>
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> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From ew54926 at alltel.net  Sun Jan 18 14:15:22 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Benacol
Message-ID: <400AE95A.000008.11417@OEMCOMPUTER>

If any of you bees are battling  high cholesterol, here's a tip
that worked for me. My dr recommended that I switch to
Benacol (butter substitute) six months ago. We were using
just any soft margarine.  I really didn't use any margarine
and also avoided breads, and none on veggies.
   In these six months, my cholesterol went from 241 to 214.
I've been trying to lower that 240 number for years.  
   Another tip -  I noticed that red meat, even lean meat, 
brings my glucose count way up the next morning.  So I
have cut back on portion size.   
   Benacol is about $4.75 a HALF POUND, but as the
dr said, that's a lot cheaper than the new drugs!     We
use about a pound a month.
    But, oh, I do miss those "goodies" or "baddies" as
someone said.   Snickers bar, chocolate shake - to die for!
Jeanne


From jburns at bak.rr.com  Sun Jan 18 14:22:11 2004
From: jburns at bak.rr.com (John and Carolyn Burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Mock Potato Salad
In-Reply-To: <26130-400AD075-881@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001201c3de00$c1676190$50dca118@office>

Adkins has a wonderful recipe for fresh green beans that I will send
later on today. Thanks for the Mock Potao Salad recipe.
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]
On Behalf Of Toni
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:29 AM
To: Joyce Ragels
Cc: Healthy Bee
Subject: Re: [Healthybees] Mock Potato Salad


I want to say this before I comment on 'MY' diet  any further:  Any
thing I say to compare- is just that comparing diets- I'm not saying
what I'm doing is any better.  Just wan't you to see the differences. I
respect everyone's choices.  The difference with SBD (South Beach Diet
so you know what I'm talking about when I use the abbreviation) and
Atkins - though similar- is that there are restrictions on fats.  Olive
oil and Canola.  Most meats are allowed except for the high fat ones.  I
can't believe it's not butter spray is listed (don't care for that
one)and so is Smart Balance which we always used anyway..  I have to
read the second phase of this book today-I can't believe DH has stayed
with it the whole 2 weeks - he's ready for more variety. My book has a
recipe for mock mashed potatoes using Cauliflower- but it doesn't sound
as good as one I saw on TV that used low fat cream cheese instead of fat
free half and half.. After I experiment I'll give you the recipe.  J -
I'm going to try your recipe too.    Toni

_


From jburns at bak.rr.com  Sun Jan 18 15:19:29 2004
From: jburns at bak.rr.com (John and Carolyn Burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Snacks
In-Reply-To: <26130-400AD357-907@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <001301c3de08$c2757c90$50dca118@office>

I do not crave sweets as some like my husband do but if you are a
choc-o-holic and just have to have choclate Hershey's has a sugar free
Chocolate candy with or without almonds that I buy for my husband. The
dietary exchange: 1 carbohydrate + 2 fat for 5 pieces.
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]
On Behalf Of Toni
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:41 AM
To: Joyce Ragels
Cc: Healthy Bee
Subject: Re: [Healthybees] Snacks


J ,  Snacks: what you said and  nuts- listed in SBD: snack size 20
peanuts -15 pecan haves - 30 pistachios.  Not all at once!!! ;-)  And
sugar free Jello every day.  I also bought some Baskin Robbins sugar
free hard candy after hearing somone rave about it on DJ list.  I allow
myself 2 a day- it's really delicious- comes in fruit and choco mint
flavors.  Toni

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Healthybees mailing list
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From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sun Jan 18 16:43:30 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Baskin Robins hard candy
In-Reply-To: "Don Varner" <don_varner@msn.com>'s message of Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:19:59 -0600
Message-ID: <27781-400B0C12-256@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

I got the candy from Wall-Mart.  I wouldn't go in to the ice cream
store- too tempting!!!   Toni

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From dianemcg at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 18 16:16:09 2004
From: dianemcg at mindspring.com (Diane McGuire)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] getting healthy
Message-ID: <BC2FCF9E.4D75%dianemcg@mindspring.com>

Hi, HBs,

I want to slim down so that if I finally find a guy I will look good.   I
used to be so skinny my kids would make fun of me by calling me Olive Oyl.
Now at least i have some shape although not in all the right places.   i
also need to regain flexibility and stamina.  I have never done any exercise
or sports in my life.  I guess I am lucky I got this far.   However, I have
always lived in a two story house and I have a bad memory.  Makes a lot of
trips up or down, forgot why I went up or down, reversed, remembered, tried
again.   I live in a perfect neighborhood for walking but it is way too
cold.  I do "shopping" walking when I can.  At least I should get back to
that.  Stores are pretty empty at 7am.

One way I have lost weight and been able to keep it off is by doing more
cooking.  Sounds opposite of what you would think.  Even Carol said she has
been eating healthier since she saw what I was doing.  Saves gobs of $$$
too.   The essential equipment for me is my crock pot. I gave Carol one for
her birthday and she and I have been collecting and trading recipes.  I have
three in different sizes.  I can make totally fat free soup that tastes so
much better than anything store bought.  I make huge batches, enough for a
whole week.  yes, it is work, but you can cut down on the work by using
frozen veggies or prepared ones.  The secret is that you have to cook the
soup at least 12 hours and get one of those fat separator pitchers.

Cooking chicken thighs now, but being bad because I am leaving the skin on.
However, when I cut the meat off the bones I will have bones to make soup
stock.  I got so good at eating fat free that I actually had to cut back on
fat free because I wasn't getting enough fat.  You need some for the fat
soluable vitamins. 

Here's to your health!

Diane and Maisie in MA 

From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 17:25:06 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] getting healthy
References: <BC2FCF9E.4D75%dianemcg@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <400B15D2.3040108@comcast.net>

Diane

Please share your crock pot soup recipe.

J

Diane McGuire wrote:
> Hi, HBs,
> 
> I want to slim down so that if I finally find a guy I will look good.   I
> used to be so skinny my kids would make fun of me by calling me Olive Oyl.
> Now at least i have some shape although not in all the right places.   i
> also need to regain flexibility and stamina.  I have never done any exercise
> or sports in my life.  I guess I am lucky I got this far.   However, I have
> always lived in a two story house and I have a bad memory.  Makes a lot of
> trips up or down, forgot why I went up or down, reversed, remembered, tried
> again.   I live in a perfect neighborhood for walking but it is way too
> cold.  I do "shopping" walking when I can.  At least I should get back to
> that.  Stores are pretty empty at 7am.
> 
> One way I have lost weight and been able to keep it off is by doing more
> cooking.  Sounds opposite of what you would think.  Even Carol said she has
> been eating healthier since she saw what I was doing.  Saves gobs of $$$
> too.   The essential equipment for me is my crock pot. I gave Carol one for
> her birthday and she and I have been collecting and trading recipes.  I have
> three in different sizes.  I can make totally fat free soup that tastes so
> much better than anything store bought.  I make huge batches, enough for a
> whole week.  yes, it is work, but you can cut down on the work by using
> frozen veggies or prepared ones.  The secret is that you have to cook the
> soup at least 12 hours and get one of those fat separator pitchers.
> 
> Cooking chicken thighs now, but being bad because I am leaving the skin on.
> However, when I cut the meat off the bones I will have bones to make soup
> stock.  I got so good at eating fat free that I actually had to cut back on
> fat free because I wasn't getting enough fat.  You need some for the fat
> soluable vitamins. 
> 
> Here's to your health!
> 
> Diane and Maisie in MA 
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From joenkay at vnet.net  Sat Jan 17 07:55:34 2004
From: joenkay at vnet.net (joe n kay)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] NEW DIET-DON'T FOLLOW!!
Message-ID: <000a01c3dd01$95d6e460$1e0952a6@vnet.net>

Hello Bees, I have heard of a new diet, and I am telling DO NOT FOLLOW it!!

The girls at the nearby college are on a get skinny fast thought process.  They are eating only 1 jar of baby food for breakfast, one for lunch, and diet pop. Wonder why they are getting sick!
Most baby food jars only have 50-100 calories.  Then they are eating something at supper time at home, or again a jar of baby food.
I warn you all that if you hear of someone doing this.....get them to a doctor fast! It can cause Kidney, liver and heart problems to start with! 

ANY DIET should be followed and discussed with a doctor.  Even changing of medicines.  This is for your benefit, not his pocket. lol

Kay in NC


From ew54926 at alltel.net  Sun Jan 18 17:53:57 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] getting healthy
References: <BC2FCF9E.4D75%dianemcg@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <400B1C95.000004.25089@OEMCOMPUTER>

Hooray for you and  your crock pots!  I have a slow cooker,
(West Bend metal pan removable from its base.) and I use
it a lot. I found the Slo-Cooker recipe book and vary some
of those.
    I'd love to see some of your healthy recipes and I'm
sure the other HBs would tool
 Jeanne 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Diane McGuire
Date: 01/18/2004 04:48:02 PM
To: healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: [Healthybees] getting healthy
 
Hi, HBs,
 
I want to slim down so that if I finally find a guy I will look good.   I
used to be so skinny my kids would make fun of me by calling me Olive Oyl.
Now at least i have some shape although not in all the right places.   i
also need to regain flexibility and stamina.  I have never done any exercise
or sports in my life.  I guess I am lucky I got this far.   However, I have
always lived in a two story house and I have a bad memory.  Makes a lot of
trips up or down, forgot why I went up or down, reversed, remembered, tried
again.   I live in a perfect neighborhood for walking but it is way too
cold.  I do "shopping" walking when I can.  At least I should get back to
that.  Stores are pretty empty at 7am.
 
One way I have lost weight and been able to keep it off is by doing more
cooking.  Sounds opposite of what you would think.  Even Carol said she has
been eating healthier since she saw what I was doing.  Saves gobs of $$$
too.   The essential equipment for me is my crock pot. I gave Carol one for
her birthday and she and I have been collecting and trading recipes.  I have
three in different sizes.  I can make totally fat free soup that tastes so
much better than anything store bought.  I make huge batches, enough for a
whole week.  yes, it is work, but you can cut down on the work by using
frozen veggies or prepared ones.  The secret is that you have to cook the
soup at least 12 hours and get one of those fat separator pitchers.
 
Cooking chicken thighs now, but being bad because I am leaving the skin on.
However, when I cut the meat off the bones I will have bones to make soup
stock.  I got so good at eating fat free that I actually had to cut back on
fat free because I wasn't getting enough fat.  You need some for the fat
soluable vitamins.
 
Here's to your health!
 
Diane and Maisie in MA
_______________________________________________
Healthybees mailing list
Healthybees@maddoc.net
http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From ew54926 at alltel.net  Sun Jan 18 17:59:08 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Wrong cookbook name!
Message-ID: <400B1DCC.00000C.25089@OEMCOMPUTER>

Oops. The name of that cookbook is "Fix It and Forget it".
  Jeanne


From jburns at bak.rr.com  Sun Jan 18 19:31:37 2004
From: jburns at bak.rr.com (John and Carolyn Burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: FW: [Healthybees] Roasted Green Beans recipe
Message-ID: <000701c3de2b$fb441950$50dca118@office>

These are so good that you'll be snitchin them with your fingers. The
recipe says you can try mixing green with wax beans but I have only used
green beans. Delicious!!!!
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA

8 servings

3 Pounds thin green beans
1 1/2 Tablespoons olive oil	
Salt to taste

1. Heat oven to 375 degree F. in a large bowl, combine green beans, oil
and salt. Toss to coat.

2. Spread out beans in a single layer on 2 jellyroll pans or shallow
baking pans.

3. Roast beans until lightly browned and crisp-tender, 30 minutes,
shaking pans occasionally.

Total carbohydrates per serving: 13 grams (count only 8 digestible carbs
when doing Atkins); Protein: 3 grams; fat: 3 grams; calories: 80   
****Copied from Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution book   


From deegee at humboldt1.com  Sun Jan 18 20:24:50 2004
From: deegee at humboldt1.com (Darlene Garrity)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Roses
Message-ID: <002301c3de33$6ac99500$072664d8@default>

Do any of you remember Totie Fields, the comedienne?  She told about a friend
who was in the hospital for weight loss.  She got a bouquet of roses and sent a
thank you note saying, "Thank you so much for the roses, they were delicious!"
Darlene in Upstate California


From deegee at humboldt1.com  Sun Jan 18 20:29:24 2004
From: deegee at humboldt1.com (Darlene Garrity)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] apple sauce
Message-ID: <002901c3de34$0de234e0$072664d8@default>

If your diet, or eating plan says you can have apples, here is an easy recipe.
Just peel, core and slice your apples and cook them in a can of diet creme soda.
If you use golden delicious apples, they don't even have to be peeled, just
cored and sliced.
I know some of you will probably frown on me using diet pop because of the
aspertame.  I have read all of the pros and cons and made a decision a long time
ago that I will use artificial sweeteners so please don't send me those warnings
about them.
Darlene in Upstate California


From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Sun Jan 18 20:35:57 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Roses
References: <002301c3de33$6ac99500$072664d8@default>
Message-ID: <01ab01c3de34$fa745720$0d00000a@candy>

low in carbs, too ...

Candy
who has an entire cookbook devoted to using flowers as food ...
nasturtiums, geraniums, roses, even orchids !


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darlene Garrity" <deegee@humboldt1.com>
To: <Healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: January 18, 2004 06:24 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] Roses


> Do any of you remember Totie Fields, the comedienne?  She told about a
friend
> who was in the hospital for weight loss.  She got a bouquet of roses and
sent a
> thank you note saying, "Thank you so much for the roses, they were
delicious!"
> Darlene in Upstate California




From wjmj7 at bigpond.com  Sun Jan 18 21:54:33 2004
From: wjmj7 at bigpond.com (Jenny Bowman)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Gallbladder  &   crockpots
Message-ID: <015f01c3de3f$f954dc60$03000004@oem>

I too have a slow cooker - it needs more use - and would love to hear
of any recipes you ladies have!

On the gallbladder - I heard that any drastic change in diet can make
your gallbladder play up.  Considering we all try and cut out fat when
we go on a diet, I'm not surprised the gallbladder would play up if u
start eating lots of fat like the Atkins diet.  My parents went on the
Atkins diet - they lost lots of weight - but my mums hair starting
falling out all over the place - bigtime - they have stopped the diet
and also put back on their weight.  But they did like the diet.  Now
they're on weightwatchers points diet.
I like the points systems at WW.  I found what works for me at the
moment is to not eat wheat, not eat red meat and not eat dairy.  I
have supplements for calcium and take a multivitamin everyday.  I try
to eat basically vegetarian, but I do eat chicken and fish.  I snack
on un-salted nuts, corn cakes, fruit, and keep myself very busy,
because if I'm busy I don't eat - If I'm not doing anything I go from
cupboard to fridge and back again a million times looking for
something to eat!

I like the weigh-in idea because it will help us along I think.
Jenny:-)

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
     Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.


From belle at bigcountry.net  Mon Jan 19 09:05:23 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] weigh in's
Message-ID: <004d01c3de9d$acce7870$592f2745@defaultcomp>

After thinking about this over the weekend , I think our weigh in's would be better on Friday at the end of the week , also would be good to state our goals for the next week what we want to achieve and what the exercise plan is . I also think it would be good to buddy up with someone on the list who is on a similar diet and be a good support and keep up with each others advancement , even if we are not on diet like cate we don't want to see cate loose more weight just get stronger , everyone needs a cheerleader


From belle at bigcountry.net  Mon Jan 19 09:06:42 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Dr phil
Message-ID: <005701c3de9d$d9a55a30$592f2745@defaultcomp>

Ok who else aid there where doing the ultimate weight loss challenge , I need a buddy 


Belle



Belle's Creations 
http://www.bellescreations.com/
Cyberbees Quilting
http://www.cyberbees.net
http://www.quiltingisfun.com


From belle at bigcountry.net  Mon Jan 19 15:14:39 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (belle@bigcountry.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200401191514.i0JFElDi016110@mail.maddoc.com>

                      
* Exported from MasterCook *

                             Mama’s Meatloaf

Recipe By     :JJ Virgin
Serving Size  : 1     Preparation Time :0:00
Categories    : Beef                            Main Dishes
                Poultry

  Amount  Measure       Ingredient -- Preparation Method
--------  ------------  --------------------------------
     1/2           cup  Onion -- chopped
  2             cloves  garlic -- minced
  1              pound  lean beef -- 7 %
  1              pound  chicken breast
  1              large  egg
  2              large  egg white
     1/2           cup  whole grain bread crumbs
     1/3           cup  fresh parsley
  1         tablespoon  oregano -- dried
  1         tablespoon  basil leaves -- dried
              to taste  black pepper

Preheat oven to 350 degrees. In a nonstick skillet, mist with olive oil,
heat over medium-high
heat, add onion and garlic and saute until softened, about 5 minutes.
In a large bowl, combine all ingredients anad mix well using your hands or
a wooden spoon.
Lightly mist a loaf pan with olive oil. Shape the meat into the pan. Bale
1-1-1/2 hours. Serve
with a basic Tomato/Marinara Sauce. Make your own or buy a sauce with no
added sugar.

                                    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 1751 Calories; 104g Fat (54.5%
calories from fat); 180g Protein; 14g Carbohydrate; 4g Dietary Fiber;
696mg Cholesterol; 632mg Sodium.  Exchanges: 0 Grain(Starch); 25 Lean
Meat; 2 Vegetable; 5 1/2 Fat.


Nutr. Assoc. : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



From belle at bigcountry.net  Mon Jan 19 15:14:54 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (belle@bigcountry.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:35 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200401191515.i0JFF2Di016129@mail.maddoc.com>

                      
* Exported from MasterCook *

                           3 Layer Mexican Dip

Recipe By     :J J virgin
Serving Size  : 3     Preparation Time :0:00
Categories    : Main Dishes                     Mexican

  Amount  Measure       Ingredient -- Preparation Method
--------  ------------  --------------------------------
     1/4           cup  black beans -- pureed
  1                can  green chiles -- pureed
     1/2           cup  nonfat sour cream
  8             ounces  fresh salsa
                        jicama slices
                        radishes
                        bell pepper

Spread the pureed bean/chile mixture on a plate, top with the sour cream.
Top with the salsa and
serve with jicama slices, radishes and peppers.

                                    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 87 Calories; trace Fat (2.5%
calories from fat); 7g Protein; 16g Carbohydrate; 3g Dietary Fiber; 4mg
Cholesterol; 30mg Sodium.  Exchanges: 1/2 Grain(Starch); 1/2 Lean Meat;
1/2 Vegetable; 1/2 Other Carbohydrates.


Nutr. Assoc. : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 09:17:24 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] weigh in's
References: <004d01c3de9d$acce7870$592f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <400BF504.90408@comcast.net>

I'm Atkins right now.  I'm flexible on which diet.  I just want one that 
works and that I can adapt for the rest of my life.  I'm going to start 
walking this week.  Haven't read Dr Phil's book, but will probably pick 
that up fairly soon or order it.  Need to make a trip to Costco next 
week, so will check there.

J

Evelyn Long wrote:
> After thinking about this over the weekend , I think our weigh in's would be better on Friday at the end of the week , also would be good to state our goals for the next week what we want to achieve and what the exercise plan is . I also think it would be good to buddy up with someone on the list who is on a similar diet and be a good support and keep up with each others advancement , even if we are not on diet like cate we don't want to see cate loose more weight just get stronger , everyone needs a cheerleader
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From belle at bigcountry.net  Mon Jan 19 15:16:09 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (belle@bigcountry.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200401191516.i0JFGHDi017338@mail.maddoc.com>

                      
* Exported from MasterCook *

                           3 Layer Mexican Dip

Recipe By     :J J virgin
Serving Size  : 3     Preparation Time :0:00
Categories    : Main Dishes                     Mexican

  Amount  Measure       Ingredient -- Preparation Method
--------  ------------  --------------------------------
     1/4           cup  black beans -- pureed
  1                can  green chiles -- pureed
     1/2           cup  nonfat sour cream
  8             ounces  fresh salsa
                        jicama slices
                        radishes
                        bell pepper

Spread the pureed bean/chile mixture on a plate, top with the sour cream.
Top with the salsa and
serve with jicama slices, radishes and peppers.

                                    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 87 Calories; trace Fat (2.5%
calories from fat); 7g Protein; 16g Carbohydrate; 3g Dietary Fiber; 4mg
Cholesterol; 30mg Sodium.  Exchanges: 1/2 Grain(Starch); 1/2 Lean Meat;
1/2 Vegetable; 1/2 Other Carbohydrates.


Nutr. Assoc. : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0



From gmasue at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 19 09:51:44 2004
From: gmasue at earthlink.net (Grandma Sue)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] weigh in's
In-Reply-To: <004d01c3de9d$acce7870$592f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOOEHOFOAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>

I like the Friday report in - my weigh in is Wednesday - I'm on WW - anyone
wanna be my buddy?????  I started at 190.2 - First week lost 3.2 so I'm at
187 right now.  I basically follow the point count - but I eat whenever I
think of it - 5-6 times a day.  Lots of fruit.  I concentrate on getting
enough protien - that's my hard one.

??? Grandma Sue
Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
http://home.earthlink.net/~gmasue/
<http://www.geocities.com/winroseshelties>
Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
Southern California



> -----Original Message-----
> From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
> [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of Evelyn Long
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:05 AM
> To: Healthy Bee
> Subject: [Healthybees] weigh in's
>
>
> After thinking about this over the weekend , I think our weigh
> in's would be better on Friday at the end of the week , also
> would be good to state our goals for the next week what we want
> to achieve and what the exercise plan is . I also think it would
> be good to buddy up with someone on the list who is on a similar
> diet and be a good support and keep up with each others
> advancement , even if we are not on diet like cate we don't want
> to see cate loose more weight just get stronger , everyone needs
> a cheerleader
>
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Mon Jan 19 11:00:37 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] water on heart?
In-Reply-To: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOOEHOFOAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1074531637-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

I will be in and out of this list.  They don't make a scale big enough for me to weigh in on.

when I can find one for my access, I will start with the weigh- ins also. 

My DH weighs between 185-195 like clockwork.  I can tell when he is on the kick to loose again, he quits eating for several meals and drinks tons of soda pop (dead calories to me!) I don't think this is so good for him, he only has one kidney.

Our DS weighs in at abou 175-185, and the doc says he needs to be below 150.  BUT he works so hard, and would be sick at that weight.  He has high blood pressure, water around the heart, and they restrict his salt, pork and lots of other stuff.  He is pretty good, but WHAT can he do to get rid of the water around the heart?

Kay in NC



From deegee at humboldt1.com  Mon Jan 19 12:34:24 2004
From: deegee at humboldt1.com (Darlene Garrity)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] corn or rice cakes
Message-ID: <002701c3deba$dd7dd340$9e2764d8@default>

If you like rice cakes or my favorite, pop corn cakes, try this to make them
crispier.  When you open the package, put them on a cookie sheet and put them in
a 300? oven for 10 minutes.  Watch them and as soon as they are cool, put them
back in the bag they came in and keep it closed securely.  They will stay
crispy.  Weight Watchers can have two for one point.
Going out the door right now to a W/W meeting.

Darlene in Upstate California


From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 13:59:21 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Oprah Weight Loss today
Message-ID: <400C3719.6060206@comcast.net>

Today there are going to be weight loss stories on Oprah today.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Mon Jan 19 14:24:15 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Good Motivation
Message-ID: <14c.2947d43f.2d3d96ef@aol.com>

    I think this list is going to be great motivation for me.  I am very 
tired of dieting and could use some motivation.  It has been all I can do to get 
back on the diet after Thanksgiving and Christmas, when I ate whatever I wanted 
for the entire month plus.  I was at an all time low of 162, although I was 
hovering around 165, and gained back up to 175.  I dieted the week before last, 
but blew it on the weekend and so lost nothing.  I've been pretty good this 
week and I weighed in this morning and lost down to 168.  Looks like that will 
be the easy part, now we'll see what next week does.  Weighing in on Fridays 
will work pretty well because I can usually do well until Friday, but weekends 
can be difficult.  This way if I do lose weight on Friday I won't want to blow 
it, and if I don't I'll be discusted with myself and might be good!
    Thanks for all the great recipes.  I've got a couple of good ones I'll 
send when I get the time.
    I submitted my Curves Sweetheart application today.  I'll find out if I 
get it on 13 February.  I tried to put my before and after pictures in the 
gallery, but discovered my before picture was a .bmp which I couldn't upload.  I 
lost 43 pounds so it was a pretty big difference.  If anyone is interested I'll 
send you my "story" I had to write up for the application.
    We went to subway and tried their new wraps for lunch.  They were pretty 
tasty.  

        Connie



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Mon Jan 19 14:25:57 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] weigh in
In-Reply-To: belle@bigcountry.net's message of 19 Jan 2004 15:14:54 Central
	Standard Time
Message-ID: <28124-400C3D55-3219@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

I can go along with a Fri weigh in - but have to weigh in today -2 weeks
ago I weighed 189- today I'm 179. 14 days 10 lbs wooh hooo!!  A ten
pound bag of potatoes- 2 five pound bags of sugar or 40 sticks of
butter.  I start phase 2 today- not sure I want to - I like the results
of phase one.  I'll report in on Fri's from now on.  I never really see
the lose till after 15 lbs. I'm printing the recipes you all are sending
in. I'm enjoying trying new things lately. Just for comparison sake -
rice cakes are on my 'foods to avoid' list.    Toni


From ctcburns at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 14:47:44 2004
From: ctcburns at yahoo.com (celeste burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh in
Message-ID: <20040119204744.33777.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all:
Okay; I'm in now too. I started watching what I eat 10 days ago and have lost 3 lbs.so far.  I say lost but actually I can gain and lose as much as  5 lbs in one day. I retain a lot of fluid and take one or two diuretic pills a day--depending on how close I plan to stay near the facilities that day. So I am just taking my lowest weight every day and keeping track of that. I take 2 oral medications for diabetes, a high blood pressure pill, and the diuretics to keep me from having kidney stones. My goal is to get down to 145 lbs this year which is not too overly ambitious as I am only 5'2" tall. That means I have 71 lbs to lose.  
 
If I could make a suggestion for this list, I'd like to ask that if we are replying to a message and especially if it is in a digest form that we delete the previous messages in the thread before we type our message. On the Cyberbees digest the repeated threads can be pretty confusing at times and they take up a lot of unnecessary space too. With this new list we will be posting personal information that we may not want to see reappearing time and time again.
 
Kay and I do have some similar health problems so maybe we could buddy with one another.  If Kay already has a buddy, I'd be open to pairing with anyone else who has a big weight loss goal.  My big temptations are chocolate in any form, salt on anything, and between meal snacking. And I HATE to exercise. Walking is okay but not in the winter and I am certainly not going to take up skiing or skating or anything else that will put me outside in below freezing weather. So, I need to get myself on the Gazelle glider I have and stop eating so much. I am hoping that this wonderfully supportive group of bees can help me motivate myself this year.
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From pkallers at budsters.com  Mon Jan 19 15:20:26 2004
From: pkallers at budsters.com (pkallers)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diet
Message-ID: <005901c3ded2$13e55180$a28627d8@Computerroom>

I don't know if anyone wants to be my partner.  I don't have a lot to
lose, maybe 20 pounds, but as my scale's broken, who knows??

And also, I sort of made up my own diet.  A combo of The Glucose
Revolution, and doing the WW counting thing-which I've done badly at
lately.

I had my physical the end of last March, and I weighed 147-with all my
clothes and tennis shoes-which is the most I've ever weighed in my
life.  Counting when I went to the hospital to have each of my 3 kids.
125 was the most I weighed pregnant.  But the worst part was my
cholesterol was 260.  My doctor was in an uproar.  Wanted to put me on
Lipitor, but I asked if I could try myself.  She said okay-3 months and
be back here.

I left her office, went straight to Curves and joined.  I went 3 and
mostly 4 times a week for 3 months.  Quite red meat entirely, ate lots
of fish-now they are saying Pacific NW fish is deathly polluted- cut
out the junk, and lost 18 pounds and brought my cholesterol down 35
points.  My doctor was in shock.  She said Pam, I don't want you to eat
not any fat!  Which of course I did, but really watched it.

I've badly fallen off the wagon  and the end of March, for my next
physical, is looming closer, so I have to get going again.  Went to
Curves 4 times last week, so I'm getting back on track.  I really enjoy
going, just getting myself there is the hard part. (And it's only a few
blocks away!) But I'm not going to let myself think about whether I
want to or not, as I can always say I'm too tired.

Junk is my downfall.  I am badly addicted to Coke, which I quit for
that 3 months.  Amazing how easy it is to get back to a bad habit.  I
also love cheap, sleazy candy.  We're talking Sweet Tarts,  Necco's,
that kind of embarrassing junk.

Anyway, there is my testimony ( I feel like I'm in AA-which thankfully
isn't one of my addictions).  And I know I can get back on track.  I
did it before, not so long ago.  I just need to accept the fact that I
can no longer eat whatever I want.  When you're used to weighing 96
pound, that's a tough concept!

If there' a junk food addict out there, I'm available!!  Pam-Bremerton
WA


From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Mon Jan 19 15:26:20 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh in
References: <20040119204744.33777.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c3ded2$e2dc6960$0d00000a@candy>

I'm not going to weigh myself until Friday, so we'll see what happens;
while we were on Maui, we took a helicopter ride, had to report
our weight before hopping on, and when I got on their scale in the
restroom I was STUNNED to see 180 staring me in the face

usually I've been fluctuating between just over 150 and just over 160,
I don't know what happened, but that scared me !

I can remember, in my early 20s, weighing 118  --  but I was skinny,
unhappy, and had not gained all the muscle-mass because I hadn't
started skiing and playing soccer and doing triathlons yet ...
nor had I developed any sort of figure ...

that muscle-mass turned into fat after I wound up with a metatarsal
stress fracture that kept me off my feet for more than a month and
never really healed right (it begins aching desperately if I stay on
my feet for very long)

I'd be happy to get down to 135, where I look good, feel good, and
have more energy

two years ago, flushed with newfound love, I had managed to diet
and exercise down to 142  --  but apparently it was all too good to last;
when I get frustrated and upset and angry, I eat ...

I have hypoglycemia, not severe enough to be out of normal range
on tests done at the clinic, but enough that I have symptoms and
have to watch what I eat  --  I also know this puts me at risk for
diabetes if I don't restrict simple carbohydrates

my DH was diagnosed four years ago with Type II; so far he
hasn't had another out-of-range fasting blood sugar since he
lost 20 pounds in 2 months and started restricting carbohydrates,
but he too is back up at 180+, and also eating out of frustration,
he complains that he is constantly hungry, even right after a meal;
his doctor just put him on medication to bring down his cholesterol
levels

we both try to eat NO simple carbohydrates, and limit our complex
carbohydrates to vegetables, fresh fruit and nonfat milk and
cottage cheese  --  but he cannot stop snacking on peanut butter
and the smell of it gets ME hungry ...  also we both get bored with
eating nothing but chicken breasts and fish ....

so put me down for a modified Atkins-type diet  ...  I try to skip
the high-fat foods as well as most carbs ...  but don't do math in
my head, just look at something and say  "you've got carbs, you're
not going in my mouth !  nor in my shopping cart ! "

Candy
(knowing the aching feet and sluggish disposition are DIRECTLY
related to being almost 50 pounds overweight)




From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 15:48:23 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diet
References: <005901c3ded2$13e55180$a28627d8@Computerroom>
Message-ID: <400C50A7.9060305@comcast.net>

Pam

I'm sure that there are a lot of us junk food addicts out here, but 
we're all a lot fatter than you. :)

I don't think it matters what each of us has to loose, so much as we 
help each other get there.  Doing it alone hasn't worked or we would not 
have joined this group.

I also don't think it is imperative to be buddied up with anyone in 
particular.  It might make more sense to have mini groups of those in a 
particular set.  For instance if there are just 3 of us on Atkins, where 
would that odd gal go?

In all likelihood I won't be joining any gym.  I live too far away and 
just have never even liked the idea of gyms.  So while I won't really 
have any first hand experience in what they are talking about when they 
talk about this machine or that routine, I can still listen.  Isn't that 
what we really want?

Besides Cate doesn't want to lose any weight, but she wants to start 
walking again.

It would really be nice to know who else is trying to do ... just so you 
could ask them ... in the hopes they might be better able to answer your 
question.

Just my opinion...

J

pkallers wrote:
> I don't know if anyone wants to be my partner.  I don't have a lot to
> lose, maybe 20 pounds, but as my scale's broken, who knows??
> 
> And also, I sort of made up my own diet.  A combo of The Glucose
> Revolution, and doing the WW counting thing-which I've done badly at
> lately.
> 
> I had my physical the end of last March, and I weighed 147-with all my
> clothes and tennis shoes-which is the most I've ever weighed in my
> life.  Counting when I went to the hospital to have each of my 3 kids.
> 125 was the most I weighed pregnant.  But the worst part was my
> cholesterol was 260.  My doctor was in an uproar.  Wanted to put me on
> Lipitor, but I asked if I could try myself.  She said okay-3 months and
> be back here.
> 
> I left her office, went straight to Curves and joined.  I went 3 and
> mostly 4 times a week for 3 months.  Quite red meat entirely, ate lots
> of fish-now they are saying Pacific NW fish is deathly polluted- cut
> out the junk, and lost 18 pounds and brought my cholesterol down 35
> points.  My doctor was in shock.  She said Pam, I don't want you to eat
> not any fat!  Which of course I did, but really watched it.
> 
> I've badly fallen off the wagon  and the end of March, for my next
> physical, is looming closer, so I have to get going again.  Went to
> Curves 4 times last week, so I'm getting back on track.  I really enjoy
> going, just getting myself there is the hard part. (And it's only a few
> blocks away!) But I'm not going to let myself think about whether I
> want to or not, as I can always say I'm too tired.
> 
> Junk is my downfall.  I am badly addicted to Coke, which I quit for
> that 3 months.  Amazing how easy it is to get back to a bad habit.  I
> also love cheap, sleazy candy.  We're talking Sweet Tarts,  Necco's,
> that kind of embarrassing junk.
> 
> Anyway, there is my testimony ( I feel like I'm in AA-which thankfully
> isn't one of my addictions).  And I know I can get back on track.  I
> did it before, not so long ago.  I just need to accept the fact that I
> can no longer eat whatever I want.  When you're used to weighing 96
> pound, that's a tough concept!
> 
> If there' a junk food addict out there, I'm available!!  Pam-Bremerton
> WA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Mon Jan 19 15:59:44 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Diet
References: <005901c3ded2$13e55180$a28627d8@Computerroom>
Message-ID: <00d401c3ded7$8cfc8480$0d00000a@candy>

don't feel bad, Pam  --

if the junk food were IN this house, I would probably eat it

DS brought home a packet of Danish  ...  creamcheese Danish,
worse yet ...  and it sat on that counter for four days until yesterday
when I could no longer resist eating "just one" ...

I told myself it didn't taste that good  --  then yesterday evening
DS's overly friendly yellow Lab brought me a mostly-finished bag
of Doritos  ...  and they smelled so good that, though I intended to
put it back in DS's room, I wound up eating all the crumbly bits left

I mostly have DH do the grocery shopping because his willpower
is better there  (one of the GOOD things about a retired spouse !
he doesn't buy junk food because he hates to spend money on
anything), and we eat a lot of frozen fish from Costco, when they
have it  --  mahimahi, etc, probably not caught in NW waters !;
we put in a small vegetable garden every spring and so we
know what we're eating when we have those ...  everything
either broiled or saute'd in nonstick pan (olive oil spray) or
steamed or microwaved ...

no gyms or YMCAs or anything like that in this little town; there's
a physical therapist with machines but you need a doctor's
prescription to go there and it co$$$ts  --  I think even the
Weigh Watchers are in Olympia which is nearly an hour's drive
away  (narrow country roads with big log trucks)

so I'll start walking again when the swelling in my feet goes down;
meanwhile I'll see if I can cook food without eating it all myself

Candy




From ew54926 at alltel.net  Mon Jan 19 16:16:44 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh In
Message-ID: <400C574C.000003.67895@OEMCOMPUTER>

After hearing what hard work some of you have before you, my
goal may seem trivial.  I weighed 172 a year ago, 169 six months
ago, was sick in December, and weigh 163 now.   I don't
expect to be able to drop 6 lbs again in the next 6 months unless
i get the flu again!   It's very difficult for me to lose because if I
go hungry, I have low sugar spells    so I think my solution is
smaller portions  I'd like to lose 5 lbs in the next 6 months and
then just keep going til I get to 140.  - - if I live that long!  I'll start

reporting on Fridays from now on.
   Now to listen to the Iowa Caucuses results tonight.
         Jeanne
    


From Skp0520 at aol.com  Mon Jan 19 17:29:32 2004
From: Skp0520 at aol.com (Skp0520@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Re: Dr Phil
Message-ID: <15a.2be109cb.2d3dc25c@aol.com>

Hi Belle,

I am starting Dr. Phil's Weight Loss Challenge I hope this week.  I have a 
little more to read and need to map out some strategy.  Want to be buddies?

I was glad to see so many familiar friends on this list, and see all the 
varied things we are doing.

My weight fluctuates from scale to scale, so I will go by my home scale, even 
if I like what the Doctor's says better. LOL.  This am before work I weighed 
181.  I want to lose 51 lbs and preferrably 60.

Best wishes to all.


Sandy
Colorful, La Junta, Colorado



From belle at bigcountry.net  Mon Jan 19 18:27:18 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Re: Dr Phil
References: <15a.2be109cb.2d3dc25c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <016301c3deec$2a4ad020$592f2745@defaultcomp>

Snady is my Buddie 

Great sandy ,
I am not finished with the book yet and I am a slow reader so it wont take long for you to catch up to where I am :) I have more wieght to loose then you I am at 255  so I need to loose at leaste 100 pds but I am setting small goals so I dont get frustrated


Belle


Skp0520@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Belle,
> 
> I am starting Dr. Phil's Weight Loss Challenge I hope this week.  I
> have a little more to read and need to map out some strategy.  Want
> to be buddies? 
> 
> I was glad to see so many familiar friends on this list, and see all
> the varied things we are doing.
> 
> My weight fluctuates from scale to scale, so I will go by my home
> scale, even if I like what the Doctor's says better. LOL.  This am
> before work I weighed 181.  I want to lose 51 lbs and preferrably 60.
> 
> Best wishes to all.
> 
> 
> Sandy
> Colorful, La Junta, Colorado
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees

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From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 18:45:48 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Dr Phil's show
Message-ID: <400C7A3C.1010901@comcast.net>

Did anyone see it today.  I was very impressed.  Anxious to see the 
book.  From just seeing the show and listening to the people on the 
show, the honest value of the book is to unlock the reason we are fat. 
I suppose we have to admit we are fighting the battle of the bulge with 
ghosts from our past.  I felt somewhat better at the end of the show.

I also have lost another pound.  Down to 209.  Anxious to see where I'll 
be on Friday.

After seeing how they were all really into the exercise, I wouldn't mind 
giving a gym a try, but a big factor for me is the distance and the 
cost.  I'm going walking for the first time in the AM.  This is a 
promise I make to myself.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jmarcum5 at cinci.rr.com  Tue Jan 20 06:42:30 2004
From: jmarcum5 at cinci.rr.com (Ellie Marcum)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh -in
Message-ID: <002801c3df52$deb4a980$e611d118@cinci.rr.com>

I have already joined WW 2 weeks ago, I weighed 214 and lost just 2 1/2 # last Wed. It is very hard when your husband eats everything in front of you, that you can't have. I have committed myself to the program for three months. I know just being able to talk to someone at anytime will help me stick to it. It was good to hear someone else weighs over 200#!!!! 

I am leaving to go to Salt lake Sat. and I'm dreading it being on this diet. I will be baby sitting two GD ,4 & 5 , for a week.
I plan to take my quilting with me for when I have free time.
Any other suggestions?

Ellie


From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 08:05:53 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh -in
References: <002801c3df52$deb4a980$e611d118@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <400D35C1.4000307@comcast.net>

Ellie

It is always hard to be around someone who isn't dieting when we are. 
My hubby and I are both dieting, but that isn't a bed a roses either as 
his idea of dieting and mine don't always blend.  He has never enjoyed 
salads and some nights I fix up chef salads with cheese, egg, turkey for 
me and ham for him.  It is a filling meal, but while he'll eat it, he 
isn't thrilled.  He hates chicken breast and I love it.  He hates turkey 
and I love it.  He doesn't care for any kind of squash and I like it. 
He is a snacking, munching machine some days.  Some days he sabotages me 
and some days I sabotage him.  Not sure I'll ever understand the reason 
behind that.

Snacks on a trip or at someone else's home are more difficult.  When I 
was at my sister's, here is what worked for me: cucumbers cut into 
spears, either cherry tomatoes or sliced tomatoes, cheese, sugar free 
jello, and sandwiches made out of turkey and cheese rolls so I didn't 
have to have bread.

I'm better when I'm busy too.  Have fun with those grands.  As for being 
over 200, I have been for better than 10 years - probably close to 15. 
It is going to be a very happy day for me when I weigh under 200.

J

Ellie Marcum wrote:
> I have already joined WW 2 weeks ago, I weighed 214 and lost just 2 1/2 # last Wed. It is very hard when your husband eats everything in front of you, that you can't have. I have committed myself to the program for three months. I know just being able to talk to someone at anytime will help me stick to it. It was good to hear someone else weighs over 200#!!!! 
> 
> I am leaving to go to Salt lake Sat. and I'm dreading it being on this diet. I will be baby sitting two GD ,4 & 5 , for a week.
> I plan to take my quilting with me for when I have free time.
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Ellie
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 09:05:49 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Decisions
Message-ID: <400D43CD.7080003@comcast.net>

I'm going to take some of my own advice and cut up some cukes for easy 
snacking.  I find that when I open the fridge and there is something 
good for me to eat in there I'll eat it.  I hate cutting up stuff, but 
maybe I hate being fat more.  We'll see.

It is cold outside, by my standards, not yours.  It is 48.  They say we 
have a chance of rain.  I am going to go get dressed, bundle up and go 
for that walk I promised myself yesterday.  We live on an acre lot and 
hubby has bladed a path the pretty much goes around the edge of the back 
area.  5 laps are 1 mile.

I'll let you know what I did.  I've promised myself that this week will 
be walking and eating right and consuming mostly salads.  I suppose if I 
ate it one, I'll have to eat it off.

Thanks for allowing me the freedom to talk about what I am doing or want 
to do.  It makes me feel better.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From belle at bigcountry.net  Tue Jan 20 09:13:15 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Start Planing
Message-ID: <006801c3df67$edfcf770$1a2f2745@defaultcomp>

I want to motivate everyone to start planning on a exercise plan what are our exercise goals and how can we really push yourself 


Belle



From belle at bigcountry.net  Tue Jan 20 09:17:53 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] what I would like to see this group become
Message-ID: <007001c3df68$93f20350$1a2f2745@defaultcomp>

I would like to see us become motivator really helping each other in pushing to become healthier , and being honest in our sharing of why we eat the way we do . The only way we can make changes is to be honest . I know I tend to hold back the real me  and the fact I beng something awful , I just get these horrible cravings for chocolate. 


Belle


From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 09:44:12 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] what I would like to see this group become
References: <007001c3df68$93f20350$1a2f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <400D4CCC.107@comcast.net>

Belle

Chocolate will always be my downfall.  I look at chocolate as a food 
group! :)

The only way I can handle chocolate is to say that I'm not going to run 
to chocolate to make me feel good and I'm not going to run to chocolate 
when I feel bad.  Chocolate will always be in my life, but I'm no longer 
going to be buying the large bags of peanut M&Ms to have for my quick 
snack in my office.  In fact, I am no longer going to keep snacks of any 
kind in my office.  When I go to my office I'm going to work.  When it 
is time to have a snack, I'm going to go into the kitchen.  I have 
absolutely no idea is this is "right" or not, but right now it makes 
sense to me.

I wholeheartedly agree that we must be honest with ourselves.  We don't 
need to share it all.  For those that can, great.  I figure we are all 
going to learn from each other.

J

Evelyn Long wrote:
> I would like to see us become motivator really helping each other in pushing to become healthier , and being honest in our sharing of why we eat the way we do . The only way we can make changes is to be honest . I know I tend to hold back the real me  and the fact I beng something awful , I just get these horrible cravings for chocolate. 
> 
> 
> Belle
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 09:55:21 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Walk
Message-ID: <400D4F69.5040300@comcast.net>

OK, gals, I walked this morning.  I only walked two laps until my hip 
started hurting and my heart seemed to be working out pretty good too.

Now, two laps is 2/5 of a mile.  Considering I haven't done any walking 
or any exercise in over a year and probably closer to two, I figure I 
did pretty good.

I had hubby take pictures of my walking outfit.  All you gals in really 
cold weather would be rolling on the floor.  I was wearing sweats, a 
men's v neck tshirt, with a red scarf, with a long shirt over that, with 
a white scarf, with hubby's big jacket, with ear muffs, with a stocking 
cap on top of that.  Now some of you would be running around in shorts 
in 48 degree temp, but I would never join you. :)  48 degree Fahrenheit 
= 8.8888889 degree Celsius

For once in my life I am going to insist on having pictures taken of me 
at the various weights.  Now I may not share them all, but I want them 
for me.  Why?  Because I normally don't think of myself as fat because I 
still have this image of me when I weighed 110 and look damn fine.  I 
need to be honest with me about the way I really look.  I don't want to 
avoid mirrors any more.  I am what I am, but for once in my life, I 
really want to be better.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From ndill4 at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 10:43:51 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] what I would like to see this group become
References: <007001c3df68$93f20350$1a2f2745@defaultcomp> <400D4CCC.107@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c3df74$963b87b0$72b03d44@compaq>

I've found that if I'm really craving something, if I buy just one, eat it,
that satisfies my craving.  I craved fried okra the entire time I was on the
liquid diet before my surgery.  I promised myself that when I could eat
solids again that was going to be one of the first things I ate, well I did,
but it wasn't near as good as my taste buds remembered.
Try promising yourself that when you've been dieting so many days you'll
reward yourself with something you really crave, with me, the longer I think
about something, the more expectations I have and then when whatever doesn't
meet my expectations, I'm disappointed and don't want it any longer.  Sounds
weird huh?  But it works for me.
My Mother always said I was as stubborn as a mud fence, well I'm going to
prove her right, I made up my mind to lose this fat I've been carrying
around for 30 years and I will do it, I will, I will.
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>
To: "Evelyn Long" <belle@bigcountry.net>
Cc: "Healthy Bee" <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Healthybees] what I would like to see this group become


> Belle
>
> Chocolate will always be my downfall.  I look at chocolate as a food
> group! :)
>
> The only way I can handle chocolate is to say that I'm not going to run
> to chocolate to make me feel good and I'm not going to run to chocolate
> when I feel bad.  Chocolate will always be in my life, but I'm no longer
> going to be buying the large bags of peanut M&Ms to have for my quick
> snack in my office.  In fact, I am no longer going to keep snacks of any
> kind in my office.  When I go to my office I'm going to work.  When it
> is time to have a snack, I'm going to go into the kitchen.  I have
> absolutely no idea is this is "right" or not, but right now it makes
> sense to me.
>
> I wholeheartedly agree that we must be honest with ourselves.  We don't
> need to share it all.  For those that can, great.  I figure we are all
> going to learn from each other.
>
> J
>
> Evelyn Long wrote:
> > I would like to see us become motivator really helping each other in
pushing to become healthier , and being honest in our sharing of why we eat
the way we do . The only way we can make changes is to be honest . I know I
tend to hold back the real me  and the fact I beng something awful , I just
get these horrible cravings for chocolate.
> >
> >
> > Belle
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Healthybees mailing list
> > Healthybees@maddoc.net
> > http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Joyce Ragels
>
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Tue Jan 20 10:45:33 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Snacking
In-Reply-To: Joyce Ragels <jragels@comcast.net>'s message of Tue, 20 Jan
	2004 08:44:12 -0700
Message-ID: <29011-400D5B2D-3683@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

 I'm finding that not snacking makes me enjoy my meals more.I started
bringing snacks into my sewing room upstairs.  In fact I noticed an
almost empty bag of Tostitoes on the shelf last night- didn't touch
them. Will leave it there to remind me of how I got this way.  Probably
stale anyway!  My daughter bought me a big jar of Biscotti with almonds
just before I started this diet- love to munch on them-it's sitting by
my cutting table upstairs unopened.  I'm testing my will power for sure.
Just looking at it makes me give myself a good talking to when I'm
tempted.  Walking makes you feel so good- it really energises you.  I
reccommend it if you can do it- a little at a time.  I had a severe
sciatic problem after a fall in 93- and couldn't walk to the back of a
store without having to stop and bend over or sit down to relieve the
pain. I went through therapy and that electric shock type thingy
strapped to me. Nothing worked.  It took  a lot of years of back
excercise and walking on my own to finally overcome it. You can't just
sit and hope things get better - you have to work through the pain. I
ocasionally get numbness/pain in my foot but nothing like before. So
even if it hurts to walk at first- I promise it will get better the more
you do it.    Toni  who is talking and not walking because "it's too
cold"


From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Tue Jan 20 10:51:39 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-TV show tonight
Message-ID: <1074617499-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

There is an Alan Alda special on weight loss tonight at 10PM our time....during State of the Union Address.

Think it would be worth watching, or taping.

Kay in NC



From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 11:17:05 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-TV show tonight
References: <1074617499-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <400D6291.9000007@comcast.net>

Kay

I just checked out my schedule, what channel?

J

JOENKAY@ctc.net wrote:
> There is an Alan Alda special on weight loss tonight at 10PM our time....during State of the Union Address.
> 
> Think it would be worth watching, or taping.
> 
> Kay in NC
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Tue Jan 20 11:53:40 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-TV show tonight
In-Reply-To: "JOENKAY@ctc.net" <JOENKAY@ctc.net>'s message of Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:51:39 -0500
Message-ID: <25612-400D6B24-5150@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

What station?


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Tue Jan 20 12:02:57 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Atkins diet change
Message-ID: <25613-400D6D51-3833@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

Last night on the 6 o'clock news they said the Atkins Diet is being
changed because of the controversy and problems with heart disease
caused by  the unlimmited use of saturated fats.  Said the diet will
limit saturated fats to 20% now.   Toni


From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Tue Jan 20 12:11:58 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Decisions
References: <400D43CD.7080003@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <008401c3df82$89a76f60$0d00000a@candy>

another healthy alternative to chips is zucchini sliced very thin

has essentially no definite taste of its own, so all you taste is the
dip

lots of healthy types of dip to make ...

also, another diet tip, try eating with chopsticks ...  you take
smaller bites and for some reason you taste more ...

Candy




From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Tue Jan 20 13:15:06 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Walk
In-Reply-To: Joyce Ragels <jragels@comcast.net>'s message of Tue, 20 Jan
	2004 08:55:21 -0700
Message-ID: <25616-400D7E3A-1250@storefull-3293.bay.webtv.net>

That's great J!   I can picture your getup. You sound like us last
winter bundled up walking- wish I had pictures. After  2 miles you start
sweating under all that clothing.  We walk around a lake at a local
park- seems it's alway  windy there- and wind and water -brrrrrr   Keep
it up!   Toni


From Cwkalina at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 13:29:49 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] New dieters
Message-ID: <ba.4e09e0bb.2d3edbad@aol.com>

Remember, it takes a while for something to become habit, maybe about 3 
weeks.  Once you get to that point, it gets easier.  Muscle burns more calories so 
whatever it takes, start building muscle.  Drink water.  I'm getting more and 
more motivated just listening to you all talk.  We can do this!  Connie



From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 13:48:24 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Healthy Pan Fried Fish
Message-ID: <400D8608.4040306@comcast.net>

I'm on the Atkins, but I prefer to think of it as modified Atkins.  I 
don't do all the red meat the diet calls suggests.  I seem to be doing 
fairly well watching the carbs.  I still eat carbs, but I'm very 
particular about them.

I tried a great way to fix fish the other day.  We only like the milder 
fish.  For those of you who can eat mayo, this is really very good.

I got a couple cod fillets - they can not too thick.

Mixed mayonnaise about 1/4 to 1/2 Cup with about 1/3 of the packet of 
dry ranch dressing.  Spread the mixture fairly thick over the washed and 
dried fillets, place mayo side down in Pam sprayed non stick pan. 
Spread the mixture on the top side.  Turn on to a medium heat and pan 
fry until done, turning one time.

The mayo keeps the fish moist and it gets kind of a soft crust when 
cooking.   Don't use fillets that are too thick - probably not much more 
than half inch.  It will take them too long to cook and you'll burn the 
mayo.  Ocean perch is a good fish for this way too.  Orange roughy falls 
apart too easily.

Squirt with lemon, add whatever veggie, and salad, you have a very good 
meal that should be OK for most diets.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Tue Jan 20 13:53:57 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] New dieters
In-Reply-To: Cwkalina@aol.com's message of Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:29:49 EST
Message-ID: <27482-400D8755-2905@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

And get a picture of you now. We never want our pictures taken when
we're heavy. DD got one of me from 'behind'- walking our TX property in
a night shirt. I said "that's not me"!!! Must be something wrong with
the lens on your camera.  I don't think I'll ever admit  it's me-can't
see my face- thank God.  I have one on my fridge - when I was 50 and
reached my WW goal of 145.  Still have those pants 10-12 - but not
planning to be that thin again.. Will take 155-160 and be happy with it.
Toni  -having a green tea break.


From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 14:06:17 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] New dieters
References: <27482-400D8755-2905@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <400D8A39.2020601@comcast.net>

Toni

I think reality really hits you in the head when you are walking down a 
street, look in the windows, and see the reflection of what you really 
look like bouncing back at you.

I had a friend many years ago who was a horrible yoyo dieter.  She said 
she was walking in front of the local department store and said she knew 
it was time to go back on a diet because her hind end looked like a 
couple pigs trying to get out of a gunny sack.  I always thought that 
was one of the funniest things I ever heard, but I also think my rear 
end might look the same way.  I shall always be grateful that God did 
not put eyes in the back of my head. :)

J

Toni wrote:
> And get a picture of you now. We never want our pictures taken when
> we're heavy. DD got one of me from 'behind'- walking our TX property in
> a night shirt. I said "that's not me"!!! Must be something wrong with
> the lens on your camera.  I don't think I'll ever admit  it's me-can't
> see my face- thank God.  I have one on my fridge - when I was 50 and
> reached my WW goal of 145.  Still have those pants 10-12 - but not
> planning to be that thin again.. Will take 155-160 and be happy with it.
> Toni  -having a green tea break.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 14:22:42 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Alan Alda Show
Message-ID: <400D8E12.9080807@comcast.net>

I finally found it.  It is called the Alan Alda in Scientific American 
Frontiers and is on my PBS station.

"Losing It", Episode #1401.
Twelve people adopt different weight-loss strategies; researching the 
body's weight regulation; difficulties of dieting.


Original Airdate: January 20, 2004.

I'm going to go set my VCR.

-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Tue Jan 20 14:36:33 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Healthy Pan Fried Fish
References: <400D8608.4040306@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00b401c3df95$e6a1f240$0d00000a@candy>

you can also do the same thing if you BROIL the fish
with mayo side up

I tend to prefer a thinner filet of red snapper, but any mild
white fish (tilapia? farm-raised catfish?) would do ...

if you can't use mayo, then drizzle the fish very lightly
with vinegar, and use yogurt as the topping

a sprinkle of dill on the fish is nice ...

the gourmets drizzle with white wine, but for most of us
that's a no-no (even if it does vaporize under the heat)

for those who spray pans with Pam, a possibly better
alternative awaits you at Safeway, which has an
OLIVE OIL pan spray (their own store brand) ...
better for your cholesterol and also less likely to
"smoke" in the pan

Candy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>

>
> I tried a great way to fix fish the other day.  We only like the milder
> fish.  For those of you who can eat mayo, this is really very good.
>
> I got a couple cod fillets - they can not too thick.
>
> Mixed mayonnaise about 1/4 to 1/2 Cup with about 1/3 of the packet of
> dry ranch dressing.  Spread the mixture fairly thick over the washed and
> dried fillets, place mayo side down in Pam sprayed non stick pan.
> Spread the mixture on the top side.  Turn on to a medium heat and pan
> fry until done, turning one time.
>
> The mayo keeps the fish moist and it gets kind of a soft crust when
> cooking.   Don't use fillets that are too thick - probably not much more
> than half inch.  It will take them too long to cook and you'll burn the
> mayo.  Ocean perch is a good fish for this way too.  Orange roughy falls
> apart too easily.
>
> Squirt with lemon, add whatever veggie, and salad, you have a very good
> meal that should be OK for most diets.
>
> J
> -- 
> Joyce Ragels
>
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
>




From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Tue Jan 20 14:38:28 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] New dieters
References: <27482-400D8755-2905@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <00b501c3df95$e6c38400$0d00000a@candy>

know what you mean about pictures, etc ...

our square dance group on Maui dances in a room also
used for ballet and martial arts, with a mirrored wall

I look at myself in that mirror and say, "gee I'm not that stout!"
then notice that the OTHER women's reflections seem to
be accurate

arggggh !
Candy




From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Tue Jan 20 16:00:41 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Alan Alda Show
In-Reply-To: <400D8E12.9080807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1074636041-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

thanks Joyce! I can't always read the stations on this new TV satellite system, guess I am showing my age??

Kay in NC



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Tue Jan 20 16:24:08 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-OT
Message-ID: <1074637448-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Belle, I think you hit on the secret to weight loss.  we lie to ourself about everything.  Think about it.

If a friendship doesn't work, IT ISN"T MY FAULT!
If a marriage doesn't work, it isn't my fault!!
if school doesn't work out, it isn't my fault.

Suppose I have said this all of my life!  I am really in control, the friend isn't, the married spouse/in-laws, etc. aren't the real ones at fault always.  School....the books are dumb, the teacher is stupid, and why can't I blame myself for not studying.  Have anyone of you ever done this?

I can honestly say that a diet, and healthy eating is expensive!
Price fresh fruits and veggies!  They spoil and you have to return to the supermarket.

Eat something before shopping.  If you go hungry, you will buy junk food.  Make a list, and don't buy anything except meat on sale, or veggies and fruits that aren't on the list.  I mean this.  If you have to go home, make another list, go back to shop again.  You have to walk extra. You won't be tempted to buy that extra junk food that we don't need.

Another myth-my family needs some of the junk food that I get. Come on, who needs those sugar/fat laden calories?  If we teach kids not to eat them, they won't eat them as they get older.  If we cook better for us, why not for our spouse and family and friends?  If the spouse really has to have a french fry or two, let him/her go by theirself to get a batch.  COLD TURKEY?? NO!!
You have been good all week, but a couple fries won't kill you, NOPE, but only take one or two from someone else. Don't order a full order.

You can't change overnight, and you will crave things.  Eat some of it, don't binge.  BUT if you binge, don't kill yourself over it. IT happens! Get on with a promise to do better tomorrow and the next day, and the next week.....

NOW, go to mirror, or the fridge or wherever you look several times daily....might be your car mirror.  Tape a small paper with today's weight, what you expect to weigh of Friday's weigh-in, next week, next month, 3 months, 6 months, and 1 year.  Update at least once a month.  It works!
You can do this with a list on the cabinet in the kitchen/sewing area......I put build a new house, buy a new car, buy a new truck, get a job, volunteer more in school next year, and get one loan, sell a house........all within a year.  We sold our home in SD, CA for much more than I could imagine, we finished building our home from the ground up and got that home loan to build. We paid cash for the car and truck too!!.  I got a job with the county's Sheriff's office and one in a nearby police dept.  Each lead to more time to help in school, and the car to get there........I had set 18 months goal on all of it.

some things are impossible, be realistic.  If you concentrate hard enough they will happen.  My son and hubby said we could never get both a new car and truck. Little faith.  My Bible says "Ask and you shall recieve."  Don't think I asked for anything too much.  I asked for weight loss and got 64 lbs in 52 weeks once.  NOW I challenge you to do this list thing with your weight, and anything else you want.  AS you get something on the list, write all of us and tell us. PLEASE??

Better get off the soap box. IF I rattle on too much, I'll quit, just ask. I am the biggest, and the most to loose, I don't expect anyone there to do as much as I do.

Love ya all! Kay in NC



From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 16:33:07 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-OT
References: <1074637448-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <400DACA3.3030707@comcast.net>

Kay

Very inspirational.

Thanks

J

JOENKAY@ctc.net wrote:
> Belle, I think you hit on the secret to weight loss.  we lie to ourself about everything.  Think about it.
> 
> If a friendship doesn't work, IT ISN"T MY FAULT!
> If a marriage doesn't work, it isn't my fault!!
> if school doesn't work out, it isn't my fault.
> 
> Suppose I have said this all of my life!  I am really in control, the friend isn't, the married spouse/in-laws, etc. aren't the real ones at fault always.  School....the books are dumb, the teacher is stupid, and why can't I blame myself for not studying.  Have anyone of you ever done this?
> 
> I can honestly say that a diet, and healthy eating is expensive!
> Price fresh fruits and veggies!  They spoil and you have to return to the supermarket.
> 
> Eat something before shopping.  If you go hungry, you will buy junk food.  Make a list, and don't buy anything except meat on sale, or veggies and fruits that aren't on the list.  I mean this.  If you have to go home, make another list, go back to shop again.  You have to walk extra. You won't be tempted to buy that extra junk food that we don't need.
> 
> Another myth-my family needs some of the junk food that I get. Come on, who needs those sugar/fat laden calories?  If we teach kids not to eat them, they won't eat them as they get older.  If we cook better for us, why not for our spouse and family and friends?  If the spouse really has to have a french fry or two, let him/her go by theirself to get a batch.  COLD TURKEY?? NO!!
> You have been good all week, but a couple fries won't kill you, NOPE, but only take one or two from someone else. Don't order a full order.
> 
> You can't change overnight, and you will crave things.  Eat some of it, don't binge.  BUT if you binge, don't kill yourself over it. IT happens! Get on with a promise to do better tomorrow and the next day, and the next week.....
> 
> NOW, go to mirror, or the fridge or wherever you look several times daily....might be your car mirror.  Tape a small paper with today's weight, what you expect to weigh of Friday's weigh-in, next week, next month, 3 months, 6 months, and 1 year.  Update at least once a month.  It works!
> You can do this with a list on the cabinet in the kitchen/sewing area......I put build a new house, buy a new car, buy a new truck, get a job, volunteer more in school next year, and get one loan, sell a house........all within a year.  We sold our home in SD, CA for much more than I could imagine, we finished building our home from the ground up and got that home loan to build. We paid cash for the car and truck too!!.  I got a job with the county's Sheriff's office and one in a nearby police dept.  Each lead to more time to help in school, and the car to get there........I had set 18 months goal on all of it.
> 
> some things are impossible, be realistic.  If you concentrate hard enough they will happen.  My son and hubby said we could never get both a new car and truck. Little faith.  My Bible says "Ask and you shall recieve."  Don't think I asked for anything too much.  I asked for weight loss and got 64 lbs in 52 weeks once.  NOW I challenge you to do this list thing with your weight, and anything else you want.  AS you get something on the list, write all of us and tell us. PLEASE??
> 
> Better get off the soap box. IF I rattle on too much, I'll quit, just ask. I am the biggest, and the most to loose, I don't expect anyone there to do as much as I do.
> 
> Love ya all! Kay in NC
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Tue Jan 20 16:52:43 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-OT
References: <1074637448-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <013901c3dfa8$1e369820$0d00000a@candy>

one way to exercise without "really" exercising

put some music on  --  whatever kind of music makes you want to
MOVE

dance to it

if you can't stand up because of whatever reason, sit down and
"lap dance"

nobody has to see you

take some music with you when you walk ...
boogie right on down the path ...

Candy who is lapdancing to Beethoven's Ninth right now

(be silly if I didn't take my own advice now, wouldn't it?)




From wjmj7 at bigpond.com  Tue Jan 20 18:44:48 2004
From: wjmj7 at bigpond.com (Jenny Bowman)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Affirmations
Message-ID: <006801c3dfb7$cb9bcb20$03000004@oem>

I think getting our eating on track and exercise is a great thing, but
without positive affirmations about ourselves, we may fall by the
wayside.  So ladies I suggest we all stand in front of the mirror
everyday and say " I love myself and my body.  Losing weight will be a
huge benefit to my health.  I am a beautiful woman - with or without
extra weight!"  Repeat after me ......I AM a beautiful woman.
A positive affirmations about yourself, repeated everyday, is half the
battle.  If you have positive thoughts about yourself then your
self-esteem rises and so in turn the need to comfort eat should
lessen.
Jenny

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
     Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.


From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 20:23:02 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Affirmations
References: <006801c3dfb7$cb9bcb20$03000004@oem>
Message-ID: <400DE286.5020000@comcast.net>

Jenny my dear mate from oz

You have put in words what we all should be doing.  I'm going to print 
this in VERY large letters and tape this in various places about the house.

Any time I've ever been on a diet, I've never really feel I had a good 
support system.  I've been encouraged, but when you hit that plateau and 
you don't lose any weight for awhile. it gets kind of bad.  When you 
finally lose another pound, it will be nice to have someone around to 
know how great just losing one pound can be.

Thanks

J

Jenny Bowman wrote:
> I think getting our eating on track and exercise is a great thing, but
> without positive affirmations about ourselves, we may fall by the
> wayside.  So ladies I suggest we all stand in front of the mirror
> everyday and say " I love myself and my body.  Losing weight will be a
> huge benefit to my health.  I am a beautiful woman - with or without
> extra weight!"  Repeat after me ......I AM a beautiful woman.
> A positive affirmations about yourself, repeated everyday, is half the
> battle.  If you have positive thoughts about yourself then your
> self-esteem rises and so in turn the need to comfort eat should
> lessen.
> Jenny
> 
> We are not human beings having a spiritual experience.
> We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
>      Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.
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-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Tue Jan 20 21:04:59 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-excercise
Message-ID: <1074654299-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Okay try this one when you are alone.  Remember that rolling pin that you can't use now for pie crusts?

Take it out and ROLL the weight off your body, gradually add more and more pressure.  Roll it over the hips, thighs, belly, but if you can put your hands behind your back with a long rolling pin.  Get you DH to roll your back and back side.

It works, look at those expensive machines that do something similar.  This is cheap.  Wash that pin and use in kitchen too.

Another thing to try is while watching tv, sit on the floor, spread your legs (scary so don't put a mirro here), stretch to the right toes, then to the left.  Repeat, but don't overdo this one. Increase in time.  Now with legs spread, stretch forward as far as you can, repeat. Doesn't sound like much, but this will help take off that tummy.

In a chair at the computer, or sewing table, kitchen table, lean to right and left til you can touch the floor. This gives great waist definition.

Okay off my soap box.....Kay in NC
PS State of Union replaced Alan Alda special on weight



From pkallers at budsters.com  Tue Jan 20 22:09:17 2004
From: pkallers at budsters.com (pkallers)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Today
Message-ID: <003a01c3dfd4$5ac2ea10$688f27d8@Computerroom>

Well, I did pretty well today.  Went to Curves after the kids left.  No
junk-except for my gd's half a cookie she didn't want.  I didn't
wrestle it out of her little fingers, but neither did I encourage her
to eat it all, or throw it away.  Baby steps.  Pam-Bremerton WA


From ctcburns at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 22:20:39 2004
From: ctcburns at yahoo.com (celeste burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Lap dancing
Message-ID: <20040121042039.33095.qmail@web40412.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear friends:
Candy's idea of lap dancing really struck a chord with me. I put a bluegrass CD in my computer at work today to listen to while I wrote lessons. Now I realize that I could have been exercising instead of just sitting there. I think I'll take a Credence Clearwater CD to work with me tomorrow. I just need to remember to close my door so my students don't catch me wiggling my big butt in my chair.  Hope the chair can stand  the workout too.
 
My food hint of the day is cherry tomatoes. I bought a box yesterday and left them sitting on the kitchen counter. It is half gone already but it is a much healthier snack than a bag of peppermint patties--which would be half gone already if I had bought that instead. 
 
And my new shopping policy is to never go for groceries without my 6'2" 160 lb. control freak husband who thinks he is too fat and that I just have no self-discipline when it comes to food. He went on the Atkins diet a few years ago just to prove that weight loss is easy.  He lost 15 lbs. in 3 days--I kid you not!  One year I made him 5 lbs. of fudge for Christmas--he ate it and lost 7 lbs. I think I gained weight just smelling that fudge that year.  More about DH and weight loss next time. Now I need to practice my lap dancing.

Celeste in cold, cold, cold PA--who keeps telling herself that cold is good because it helps me burn calories just trying to keep warm


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From ctcburns at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 22:50:20 2004
From: ctcburns at yahoo.com (celeste burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weight loss--a perverse power struggle
Message-ID: <20040121045020.76645.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Healthybees:
This group's chat has already got me thinking in new ways. Why am I fat?
 
My husband hates fat. As I mentioned before he is over 6" tall, very thin and thinks he is overweight. He really thinks fat people are just weak-willed and lazy. Even the way he says the word "fat" is filled with disgust. Recently he has switched to saying "obese" as a more emphatic expletive.  In the past he was in positions where he had to hire people and he  admits that he would just about always choose the thinner candidate because "fat people must be lazy and won't work as hard." He doesn't harrass me about my weight anymore but he used to all the time. Now he says he has just given up hope that I will do anything about it. He did explain to my sister once that he has been able to overlook my fat because "if you love someone, you don't stop loving them just because they are sick."
 
So for me, I think weight loss has some kind of connection to giving up power over my own body. As much as I want/need/have to lose weight, actually doing it seems like giving in to DH's agenda for my life. I know I can do just about anything I put my mind to, but I always sabotage myself on diets. I don't blame anyone but myself for becoming fat, but I do think that staying fat might have something to do with this power struggle.
 
This is all very perverse because otherwise we have a very good relationship.  We agree on just about everything, have common goals, and have managed to stay married to one another for 34 years. Maybe I just need to find a substitute for this particular power struggle so I can give myself permission to lose weight. I'll have to think of something that would be a positive way to assert my control. Any suggestions?
 
Thanks for listening.
Celeste
 




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From ew54926 at alltel.net  Tue Jan 20 22:45:39 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Thin husbands
Message-ID: <400E03F3.000008.15619@OEMCOMPUTER>

Celeste and all other HBs -   I know the feeling watching a
6 ft husband who has weighed about 150 all his life.  I have
been watching him eat cookies, chocolates, Snickers,
etc for over 57 years and he hasn't gained an ounce.  
      I didn't do very good today, but I didn't have any snack
food, just ate too much at noon, and had bean soup with
hamhocks tonight. Probably too many calories.
There is always tomorrow. Try again.
     Jeanne


From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 21 07:37:35 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-A Alda Show again
Message-ID: <1074692255-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Well, I did watch Alan Alda and his wonderful weight loss!

This was a good program in the fact that they did an excellent job showing how a good hospital for stomach staple/gastric bypass is done. (I was signed up for this about 10-15 yrs ago, and left the hospital the morning before surgery-no home support at that time I felt)

The support after surgery is necessary.

Support is wonderful if you aren't rural America.

Anyway, this show is on again tonight I think at 8AM on PBS. Our president goofed up the timing in my locale.

Kay in NC
with too high BS today, and only 3 days BP meds......



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 07:48:43 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Thought for Today
Message-ID: <400E833B.5080506@comcast.net>

I subscribe to Thought for Today and after reading what you had to say 
today, I thought this fit us to a T.

Don?t let yesterday use up too much of today. - Will Rogers

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 08:52:59 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Blood Type diet
Message-ID: <400E924B.20002@comcast.net>

I have a thin friend who checked out the blood type diet.  While she was 
not looking for weight loss, she had been checking out various diets to 
try to be healthier.  She said she could stand to lose 5 to 10 lbs as 
well, but that was not the object of her search.

After reading about this diet, she went on it.  She said she feels so 
much better by just avoiding the things that were bad for her blood 
type.  She also dropped a couple pounds.  She has always suffered from 
severe stomach bloat and no longer does.

I think I'll try to find out more about this.  If there are certain 
foods that should be avoided for each blood group, why should we eat 
them.  This is one diet that I think could be nicely combined with 
whatever diet each of us are on.

Here are some pros and cons:
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/encyclopedia.html
http://www.webworker.com/index/fr.er4yt.html
http://www.earthsave.org/news/bloodtyp.htm

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From ew54926 at alltel.net  Wed Jan 21 08:50:28 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pharmaceutical co cards
Message-ID: <400E91B4.00000E.54713@OEMCOMPUTER>

Those of you with Diabetes and limited income - Did you know
there are "cards" from some of the pharmaceutical companies
that give a discount on their diabetes meds for people with
limited income ?    Ask at your
pharmacy. I get my prescriptions at WalMart and last year
they had applications on the counter for the cards. I read
one and decided to give it a shot, and it has been a godsend.
I take a tremendous amount of pills and spend about $300
a month on them, add the cost of Medicare, and BlueCross/
Blue Shield and it really adds up.   I take Glucovance, regular
price $101.00, with the card $15.00.  I also take Avandia
regular cost $180.00,  with that card $120.00     I know the
price varies with the strength of the pill, but these are
substantial savings for us.
     Jeanne


From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 21 08:52:09 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-serving size
Message-ID: <1074696729-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Okay I use to think that IF they served it to me, I have to eat it all. NOPE you don't. Who is in control? The cook in the resturant, or me?

Don't think about wasting money! That has been the hardest thing for me to learn.......just cuz that giant bottle of something is cheaper.....does it tempt you to buy it and consume more?

Kay -over thinking already.



From Bcdp683 at cs.com  Tue Jan 20 19:53:15 2004
From: Bcdp683 at cs.com (Bcdp683@cs.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:36 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh -in
Message-ID: <c5.3d491741.2d3f358b@cs.com>

    Y'all can shoot me dead, but I've heard this professionally- sometimes 
men's self confidence is low enough, that they don't want their wives to look 
too svelt for fear some other man will come along and whisk them away from them. 
If you're a little heavy, they feel safer- that you'll stay with them- so 
take it as a compliment. Diet for yourselves- not for anyone else.  Good luck. 
Barb of St Pete



From Bcdp683 at cs.com  Tue Jan 20 19:56:02 2004
From: Bcdp683 at cs.com (Bcdp683@cs.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Decisions
Message-ID: <106.2b5c9e7b.2d3f3632@cs.com>

In a message dated 1/20/04 9:05:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
jragels@comcast.net writes: 
> It is cold outside, by my standards, not yours.  It is 48. 
   Yes, that's cold, girl. I'll be glad to see the end of January. Barb of St 
Pete



From ndill4 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 10:33:34 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Today
References: <003a01c3dfd4$5ac2ea10$688f27d8@Computerroom>
Message-ID: <00e101c3e03c$50a18c90$72b03d44@compaq>

remember what Neal Armstrong said when he stepped out onto the moon.  "One
small step..."
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pkallers" <pkallers@budsters.com>
To: <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:09 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] Today


> Well, I did pretty well today.  Went to Curves after the kids left.  No
> junk-except for my gd's half a cookie she didn't want.  I didn't
> wrestle it out of her little fingers, but neither did I encourage her
> to eat it all, or throw it away.  Baby steps.  Pam-Bremerton WA
>
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
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From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Wed Jan 21 10:48:26 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] The South Beach Diet Online
Message-ID: <3793-400EAD5A-233@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

I didn't know about this site.  For those of you who haven't decided on
what diet to follow - read and see if this is for you.  It tells you
about the 3 phases of the diet and more.   Toni


http://secure.agoramedia.com/index_sbd2.asp?promo=7BA99B16-34DE-438F-8F0D-D9B4A75063DB&email=



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 11:51:45 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
Message-ID: <400EBC31.4060301@comcast.net>

Boy, do I need some tender loving care now! :) I just had hubby take 
full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.  That was 
really an eye opener.

In my effort to be honest with myself, I wanted to see me as others see 
me.  Not so much that I value their opinion, but just to really see what 
I looked from all the angles.  I look fatter from the back than the 
front.  Looking at me from the side, I'm surprised I can even walk 
straight.  I have an ample bosom and a large gut.  I swear it looks like 
I am going to topple over at any minute.

I am going to have these pictures taken once a month and have recorded 
my weight in the title of one for that date.

I want to record my weight loss visually.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Wed Jan 21 11:49:46 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] The South Beach Diet Online
In-Reply-To: Y2Kswap@webtv.net (Toni)'s message of Wed, 21 Jan 2004
	11:48:26 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <3791-400EBBBA-554@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

Wouldn't ya know - I can't register on the site!!    Hope it helps
someone!   Toni


From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 21 12:05:19 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] what goal? what gift?
Message-ID: <1074708319-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Have you set your goal and have you set yourself a gift?

IF I loose another 50 lbs. I will give myself 2 new blouses, 1 pr of pants, and a new bra. 

NOW remember, I have to have larger goals than most of you do.  DO NOT Expect the results that I want, and have to set.

When my "skinny" blouses hang loose that is my goal. 

Kay -



From gmasue at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 21 12:06:42 2004
From: gmasue at earthlink.net (Grandma Sue)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
In-Reply-To: <400EBC31.4060301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOIENHFOAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>

What a good idea, Joyce   I go to WW this morning - I'll see if she's help
me with the pics.  I'll just be a copy cat, LOLOL   Maybe new pics every 10
pounds...

o?o Grandma Sue
Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
Southern California



> -----Original Message-----
> From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
> [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of Joyce Ragels
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:52 AM
> To: Healthy Bee
> Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
>
>
> Boy, do I need some tender loving care now! :) I just had hubby take
> full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.  That was
> really an eye opener.
>
> In my effort to be honest with myself, I wanted to see me as others see
> me.  Not so much that I value their opinion, but just to really see what
> I looked from all the angles.  I look fatter from the back than the
> front.  Looking at me from the side, I'm surprised I can even walk
> straight.  I have an ample bosom and a large gut.  I swear it looks like
> I am going to topple over at any minute.
>
> I am going to have these pictures taken once a month and have recorded
> my weight in the title of one for that date.
>
> I want to record my weight loss visually.
>
> J
> --
> Joyce Ragels
>
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
>
>
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 21 12:08:36 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
In-Reply-To: <400EBC31.4060301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1074708516-JOENKAY-3.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Joyce, if you take all of these photos, then remember to get a notebook, and date the pages so you can appreciate yourself too.

If you are serious, your DH may be more helpful too.

I had to have a daily meal notebook once.  You write down everything you ate at a meal, why, and why you decided to skip something. What are you feeling at that moment.  It helps you realize why you are eating and binge-ing.  Not always helpful, but in the begining it does help.

Kay--IMHO



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 12:12:14 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
References: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOIENHFOAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <400EC0FE.1010707@comcast.net>

Grandma Sue

I'm hoping it helps.  Being honest with what I look like is something 
I've never really done.

It also shows that I really need to get my hair cut! :)

J

Grandma Sue wrote:
> What a good idea, Joyce   I go to WW this morning - I'll see if she's help
> me with the pics.  I'll just be a copy cat, LOLOL   Maybe new pics every 10
> pounds...
> 
> o?o Grandma Sue
> Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
> When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
> Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
> Southern California
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
>>[mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of Joyce Ragels
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:52 AM
>>To: Healthy Bee
>>Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
>>
>>
>>Boy, do I need some tender loving care now! :) I just had hubby take
>>full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.  That was
>>really an eye opener.
>>
>>In my effort to be honest with myself, I wanted to see me as others see
>>me.  Not so much that I value their opinion, but just to really see what
>>I looked from all the angles.  I look fatter from the back than the
>>front.  Looking at me from the side, I'm surprised I can even walk
>>straight.  I have an ample bosom and a large gut.  I swear it looks like
>>I am going to topple over at any minute.
>>
>>I am going to have these pictures taken once a month and have recorded
>>my weight in the title of one for that date.
>>
>>I want to record my weight loss visually.
>>
>>J
>>--
>>Joyce Ragels
>>
>>Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
>>- Anonymous
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Healthybees mailing list
>>Healthybees@maddoc.net
>>http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 21 12:14:04 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
In-Reply-To: <400EC0FE.1010707@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1074708844-JOENKAY-4.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

I cut my hair to start the new year off.  Also that plate glass mirror in my bathroom is over a double sink.  What a view! YUCK

IF I was that mirro, I would duck if that fat lady came in again, and wow would I run if she took off her clothes!
I feel that mirror thinking about cracking as I type this ....LOL

Kay



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 12:24:28 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weight loss--a perverse power struggle
References: <20040121045020.76645.qmail@web40410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <400EC3DC.1050905@comcast.net>

Celeste

Maybe we are all like this to one degree or another.  While it isn't my 
hubby in my case, it is my mother.  She was fat once and by God she did 
something about it and has never been fat since.  I don't know how many 
times I've heard that one.

I've heard that there is a certain amount of emotional security in 
building a wall of fat between you and people or the world.

Maybe we have to learn to love ourselves more than we want to get into a 
battle of wills or control with any other person.

I know I'd never discuss my weight or anything very emotionally 
troubling with Mom.  She is just kind of a cold fish and it was wasted 
effort.

Now, I can't do anything about Mom, but I'm going to try to not drag her 
negativity around with me from now on.  I'm not sure exactly how to do 
that, but I don't want to accept her criticism of me any longer.  I'm 60 
years old and I just don't want that in my future.  I've had the lumps 
and bruises that life deals out from time to time.  So maybe my fat was 
an effort on my part to protect me.  Hope that doesn't mean I really 
hate myself.  I never thought I did.  Maybe I just never thought much 
about any of this.

This group is forcing me to be honest about a lot of things in my life 
and maybe they are all connected.  Maybe dealing with one will spill 
over into another area.  Sure can't hurt.

Maybe I just want better from me for whatever amount of time I have left.

J

celeste burns wrote:
> Dear Healthybees:
> This group's chat has already got me thinking in new ways. Why am I fat?
>  
> My husband hates fat. As I mentioned before he is over 6" tall, very thin and thinks he is overweight. He really thinks fat people are just weak-willed and lazy. Even the way he says the word "fat" is filled with disgust. Recently he has switched to saying "obese" as a more emphatic expletive.  In the past he was in positions where he had to hire people and he  admits that he would just about always choose the thinner candidate because "fat people must be lazy and won't work as hard." He doesn't harrass me about my weight anymore but he used to all the time. Now he says he has just given up hope that I will do anything about it. He did explain to my sister once that he has been able to overlook my fat because "if you love someone, you don't stop loving them just because they are sick."
>  
> So for me, I think weight loss has some kind of connection to giving up power over my own body. As much as I want/need/have to lose weight, actually doing it seems like giving in to DH's agenda for my life. I know I can do just about anything I put my mind to, but I always sabotage myself on diets. I don't blame anyone but myself for becoming fat, but I do think that staying fat might have something to do with this power struggle.
>  
> This is all very perverse because otherwise we have a very good relationship.  We agree on just about everything, have common goals, and have managed to stay married to one another for 34 years. Maybe I just need to find a substitute for this particular power struggle so I can give myself permission to lose weight. I'll have to think of something that would be a positive way to assert my control. Any suggestions?
>  
> Thanks for listening.
> Celeste
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 12:32:32 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Bee Traffic
Message-ID: <400EC5C0.1010708@comcast.net>

Funny how talkative we are on this list.  It must indicate that we have 
a lot of issues to deal with besides our weight.

I feel sure the honest talking will be good for us.

Most of all, thanks for listening.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From ew54926 at alltel.net  Wed Jan 21 13:44:12 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] what goal? what gift?
References: <1074708319-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <400ED68C.000004.45165@OEMCOMPUTER>

 One of my goals is to be able to wear those size 14 jeans I
put away 3 or 4 years ago!
     Jeanne
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: JOENKAY@ctc.net
Date: 01/21/2004 12:06:02 PM
To: healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: [Healthybees] what goal? what gift?
 
Have you set your goal and have you set yourself a gift?
 
IF I loose another 50 lbs. I will give myself 2 new blouses, 1 pr of pants,
and a new bra.
 
NOW remember, I have to have larger goals than most of you do.  DO NOT
Expect the results that I want, and have to set.
 
When my "skinny" blouses hang loose that is my goal.
 
Kay -
 
 
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From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 14:00:16 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Goal / gift
Message-ID: <400EDA50.6050805@comcast.net>

My goal is to get below 130.

After I reach 130 and keep it there or under for 6 months, I'm getting 
myself an embroidery sewing machine.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From bb at inet-direct.com  Wed Jan 21 18:03:25 2004
From: bb at inet-direct.com (bb@inet-direct.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] health
Message-ID: <001001c3e07b$2a786b80$6781e940@Barnettpc>

Thanks Joyce, I have been getting emails just not able to send them. Think I had the wrong address. Hope this goes through.

Barb B.



From dianemcg at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 21 17:03:42 2004
From: dianemcg at mindspring.com (Diane McGuire)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] fish and mayo
Message-ID: <BC33C3AB.4DB8%dianemcg@mindspring.com>

Hi, Bees,

I used to make baked fish with mayo and a light dusting of herbed flour.  I
used a salt shaker to shake the flour on so it was even and light.  I added
parsley, paprika, basil, oregano, etc.  You could also add onion and garlic
powder.  If you use low fat mayo it should be ok for most diets.  I have
never washed fish in my life, but I get it really fresh around here.  Didn't
know you were supposed to rinse it.  The rule of thumb is to cook fish ten
minutes an inch.  If your fish is only half an inch, cook it five minutes.
The test of a good resturant around here is if they can cook fish properly
but not overcook it.

I have tried three times to send my crock pot recipies.  Hope this gets
through tool

Healthy eating,

Diane and Maisie (can Maisie be on this list too?) 

From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 18:23:08 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] fish and mayo
References: <BC33C3AB.4DB8%dianemcg@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <400F17EC.30008@comcast.net>

Diane

Guess the washing is a habit.  I hate it when I have to think back to 
what I've done.  I've always rinsed any fish whether fresh caught by us 
or store bought whether fresh or frozen.  I always thoroughly wash 
poultry.  I rarely rinse beef or pork.

I'll have to try some other flavoring in the mayo.  I like the way it 
keeps it moist.

Never heard that rule of thumb of how long to cook fish.  Thanks.

J

Diane McGuire wrote:
> Hi, Bees,
> 
> I used to make baked fish with mayo and a light dusting of herbed flour.  I
> used a salt shaker to shake the flour on so it was even and light.  I added
> parsley, paprika, basil, oregano, etc.  You could also add onion and garlic
> powder.  If you use low fat mayo it should be ok for most diets.  I have
> never washed fish in my life, but I get it really fresh around here.  Didn't
> know you were supposed to rinse it.  The rule of thumb is to cook fish ten
> minutes an inch.  If your fish is only half an inch, cook it five minutes.
> The test of a good resturant around here is if they can cook fish properly
> but not overcook it.
> 
> I have tried three times to send my crock pot recipies.  Hope this gets
> through tool
> 
> Healthy eating,
> 
> Diane and Maisie (can Maisie be on this list too?) 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From bb at inet-direct.com  Wed Jan 21 18:32:14 2004
From: bb at inet-direct.com (bb@inet-direct.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] health
Message-ID: <002301c3e07f$2f81ccd0$6781e940@Barnettpc>

Guess I just had the wrong address because I got the last email .

Went to the Dr. this morning and she wanted to know why I had gained so much weight(30 pounds) she didn't put me on a diet but told me to start getting some type of exercise. All I have been doing this winter is sitting ....sitting....and more sitting.  LOL

My main goal is to quit eating anything with sugar in it as sugar feeds cancer. A good site to find out just how bad sugar is for you is mercola.com. It also has a lot of other good health advice,
Its going to be hard for me to stop eating so much junk food but that's the only way to be healthy and that's my main goal.

Like some of the others have said, sharing our weight loss and eating habits will help .

Barb B.









From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 21 19:07:45 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-mayo?
Message-ID: <1074733665-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Mayo-homemade is made from a mixture of oil, egg, and water whipped.  Why would I want the extra calorie of protein (egg) on my fish.....why not an olive oil, probably light and then the herbs?

Just a question.  I don't know much about fish, grew up in Western states....no fish except Haddock breaded and fried as a teen.  No shrimp til I was about 19....and I objected. Love it now.

Kay.....using thumb joint to estimate 1 inch of fish.



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 19:18:48 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-mayo?
References: <1074733665-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <400F24F8.9030309@comcast.net>

Kay

Just a guess, but the mayo might keep the moisture inside better than 
the oil - more controlled on where you put it and it would stay there. 
Someone else suggested yogurt instead of mayo.

J

JOENKAY@ctc.net wrote:
> Mayo-homemade is made from a mixture of oil, egg, and water whipped.  Why would I want the extra calorie of protein (egg) on my fish.....why not an olive oil, probably light and then the herbs?
> 
> Just a question.  I don't know much about fish, grew up in Western states....no fish except Haddock breaded and fried as a teen.  No shrimp til I was about 19....and I objected. Love it now.
> 
> Kay.....using thumb joint to estimate 1 inch of fish.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From gmasue at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 21 19:35:45 2004
From: gmasue at earthlink.net (Grandma Sue)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Goal / gift
In-Reply-To: <400EDA50.6050805@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOCEOGFOAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>

If I reach my goal of 140 & under for 6 months will you buy me an embroidery
machine?  :-)

o?o Grandma Sue
Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
Southern California



> -----Original Message-----
> From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
> [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of Joyce Ragels
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:00 PM
> To: A Healthy Bee
> Subject: [Healthybees] Goal / gift
>
>
> My goal is to get below 130.
>
> After I reach 130 and keep it there or under for 6 months, I'm getting
> myself an embroidery sewing machine.
>
> J
> --
> Joyce Ragels
>
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 20:10:03 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Goal / gift
References: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOCEOGFOAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <400F30FB.9000802@comcast.net>

Grandma Sue

If I had the bucks, I'd reward every bee who is trying to be more 
healthy.  But since I'm not that flush, you'll all just have to settle 
for my heartfelt encouragement and sincere appreciation for your company 
on this horrible trip we're taking. :)  Here's to our new life!

J

Grandma Sue wrote:
> If I reach my goal of 140 & under for 6 months will you buy me an embroidery
> machine?  :-)
> 
> o?o Grandma Sue
> Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
> When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
> Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
> Southern California
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
>>[mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of Joyce Ragels
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:00 PM
>>To: A Healthy Bee
>>Subject: [Healthybees] Goal / gift
>>
>>
>>My goal is to get below 130.
>>
>>After I reach 130 and keep it there or under for 6 months, I'm getting
>>myself an embroidery sewing machine.
>>
>>J
>>--
>>Joyce Ragels
>>
>>Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
>>- Anonymous
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Healthybees mailing list
>>Healthybees@maddoc.net
>>http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Skp0520 at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 20:42:03 2004
From: Skp0520 at aol.com (Skp0520@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Re: Weight loss--a perverse power struggle
Message-ID: <149.20a701eb.2d40927b@aol.com>

Celeste,

Thank you for bringing up this issue.  I think it is one we all have some 
recognition of.

My story starts when I was 24 and a new mother.  I was sexually assaulted by 
a neighbor, and in gaining weight I was able to prevent what I had not been 
able to prevent before (wolf whistles and men staring at me).

Later in life as my husband complained about my weight it did not matter a 
whole lot to me, as he was overweight as well.  Proportionally I always managed 
to keep, just that much lighter than he did.  I had many friends who separated 
and divorced and immediately lost weight, found a man, and went back to the 
same problems they had in their first marriages, because they looked new, but 
had not changed what was their marital stumbling blocks.

After my divorce, my ex lost his weight and has been through a number of 
disasterous relationships (a totally different story).  In the meantime, I have 
maintained, become more comfortable with who I am as a person, a mother, a 
professional and a friend.  When I met the man I date most often 5 years ago (one 
of those guys who never has to worry about his weight), he told me that he did 
not like fat women, but he liked a little "meat with his potatoes" and he 
thought I was perfect.  I told him that if he ever changed his mind he needed to 
tell me, but that if he ever started calling me fat or complaining about me, 
that it would be a deal breaker.  Now, I feel more complete with who I am and I 
guess that is why after all this time, I am ready to commit to making me the 
most successful (including weight loss) person that I can be.

Best to all

Sandy
Colorful, La Junta, Colorado



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 20:46:18 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Dr Phil's show
Message-ID: <1c2.14283828.2d40937a@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:44:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
jragels@comcast.net writes:
After seeing how they were all really into the exercise, I wouldn't mind 
giving a gym a try, but a big factor for me is the distance and the 
cost. 
If anyone is interested, there is a book on the curves diet that also has a 
plan for exercise if you can't go to a gym.  I think all it requires is one of 
those rubber pull thingys to create tension.  I have the particulars on the 
book.



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 20:49:43 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Dr Phil's show
References: <1c2.14283828.2d40937a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <400F3A47.6070104@comcast.net>

Please go ahead and post it.

Thanks

J

Cwkalina@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:44:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
> jragels@comcast.net writes:
> 
>     After seeing how they were all really into the exercise, I wouldn't
>     mind
>     giving a gym a try, but a big factor for me is the distance and the
>     cost. 
> 
> If anyone is interested, there is a book on the curves diet that also 
> has a plan for exercise if you can't go to a gym.  I think all it 
> requires is one of those rubber pull thingys to create tension.  I have 
> the particulars on the book.


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 21:03:51 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weight loss--a perverse power struggle
Message-ID: <98.1b1b644.2d409797@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:51:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
ctcburns@yahoo.com writes:
give myself permission to lose weight
You have my permission to lose weight!  I used to diet to please my husband 
and waited for the complement that never came.  I lost 25 pounds and he never 
said a word.  Of course the plus side is that he also never says anything about 
me being overweight either.  I finally decided that it really didn't matter 
if he noticed or not, I needed to do this for myself.  And that's what you need 
to do also.  This is for you and not for anyone else.  



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 21:13:16 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
Message-ID: <12c.3a10cc52.2d4099cc@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2004 10:50:35 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
jragels@comcast.net writes:
I just had hubby take 
full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.
I really think this was a good idea.  Once I saw pictures of myself and 
couldn't believe I had become that fat.  Pictures don't lie.  Reality is a good 
thing.  I think the first positive step is being honest with yourself.  Just like 
when you wan't to cheat and think your hiding your cookie from someone else!  
One of the best things I ever did was to weigh myself right away after a slip 
and no matter if it's more or less than you thought, both can be motivating 
to get you back on it.  Am not sure this makes much sense.  Connie



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 21:21:04 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] fish and mayo
Message-ID: <1d8.18db7460.2d409ba0@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2004 5:22:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
jragels@comcast.net writes:
I've always rinsed any fish whether fresh caught by us 
or store bought whether fresh or frozen.  I always thoroughly wash 
poultry.  I rarely rinse beef or pork.
I rinse it all.  You never know whether the last person who touched it was 
sanitary or not!  Connie



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 21:25:07 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
References: <12c.3a10cc52.2d4099cc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <400F4293.9000402@comcast.net>

Connie

It makes perfect sense.

Funny, but honesty has always been a trait I admired most of all. 
Somehow being honest with myself never really sunk in.

J

Cwkalina@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/2004 10:50:35 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
> jragels@comcast.net writes:
> 
>     I just had hubby take
>     full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.
> 
> I really think this was a good idea.  Once I saw pictures of myself and 
> couldn't believe I had become that fat.  Pictures don't lie.  Reality is 
> a good thing.  I think the first positive step is being honest with 
> yourself.  Just like when you wan't to cheat and think your hiding your 
> cookie from someone else!  One of the best things I ever did was to 
> weigh myself right away after a slip and no matter if it's more or less 
> than you thought, both can be motivating to get you back on it.  Am not 
> sure this makes much sense.  Connie


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 21:24:10 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-mayo?
Message-ID: <da.1b2e071.2d409c5a@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2004 6:09:34 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
JOENKAY@ctc.net writes:
Why would I want the extra calorie of protein (egg) on my fish.....why not an 
olive oil, probably light and then the herbs?
I never put anything extra on my fish except the seasonings.  It is edible-- 
pretty good actually.  We had salmon and orange roughy combination tonight.  I 
didn't have enough salmon.  I sprinkle it with McCormick Steak Seasoning 
which is also very good on steaks!



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 21 21:27:12 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] rinse poultry too
In-Reply-To: <1d8.18db7460.2d409ba0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1074742032-JOENKAY-3.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Don't forget to rinse your poultry, and be sure to pull off that extra fat too. Poultry and fish carry salmanella the worst.

Bet I misspelled that one too. lol
Kay 



From jragels at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 21:31:06 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Goodnight
Message-ID: <400F43FA.7050805@comcast.net>

Well gals, I'm calling it quits for tonight.  I'm getting up and getting 
out there and walking tomorrow morning.  I'm going to do at least 3 laps 
tomorrow.  I'll be bundled up again, but then hubby needs a laugh too. 
He said I'd have never made it through a winter in South Dakota. :)  He 
is probably right.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 21:37:55 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Back to school
Message-ID: <1ea.17ba6962.2d409f93@aol.com>

I started back to school this week and am taking 3 classes.  It will be 
really fun to try and juggle my food into my schedule.  Remember I have to eat 
about 6 times a day!  I just have to be prepared.  My daughter cried today when I 
picked her up from after school care.  She didn't like it.  She only really 
has to go 2 times a week for about 1.5 hours, but she's not used to going at 
all.  She's been kind of stressed about schoolwork -- she has so much -- so the 
timing isn't all that great.  Anyway, my emailing will be sporadic since my 
time depends on how much homework I have.

Did good on the diet today.  Hubby and I tried the low carb icecream tonight 
for dessert -- only 1/2 cup. Pretty tasty.  It says 5 net carbs on the carton, 
but it's really 12. I think it only counts sugar carbs, which seems like 
cheating to me.  It has 3 grams of fiber, 5 grams of sugar and 4 grams of sugar 
alcohol.  Oh well.  Guess I just won't have it very often.

    Connie in Colorado



From jburns at bak.rr.com  Thu Jan 22 02:11:43 2004
From: jburns at bak.rr.com (John and Carolyn Burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Dr Phil's show
In-Reply-To: <1c2.14283828.2d40937a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c3e0bf$5f208d10$84dba118@office>

I have some resistance bands but I don't know what exercises to do with
them, would be interested in what the book has to offer. 
Carolyn from Bakersfield, CA
E-mail:  jburns@bak.rr.com  

-----Original Message-----
From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]
On Behalf Of Cwkalina@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:46 PM
To: jragels@comcast.net; healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: Re: [Healthybees] Dr Phil's show


In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:44:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
jragels@comcast.net writes:
After seeing how they were all really into the exercise, I wouldn't mind

giving a gym a try, but a big factor for me is the distance and the 
cost. 
If anyone is interested, there is a book on the curves diet that also
has a 
plan for exercise if you can't go to a gym.  I think all it requires is
one of 
those rubber pull thingys to create tension.  I have the particulars on
the 
book.


_______________________________________________
Healthybees mailing list
Healthybees@maddoc.net
http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From don_varner at msn.com  Thu Jan 22 07:49:41 2004
From: don_varner at msn.com (Don Varner)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Recipe - Roasted veggies
Message-ID: <BAY3-F17eTxFrdxCap500078554@hotmail.com>

Thought you all might like this recipe.

Roasted Vegetables

2 yellow squash
2 zucchini
1 tomato
1 purple onion ( I like sweet better)
1 red pepper
1 green pepper
1 lb muchrooms
(I've also added asparagus and green beans to the mix)

Marinade:
3/4 cup balsamic vinegar
3/4 cup vegetable oil
3/4 cup honey
1 Tbsp salt
2 tsp black pepper

Quarter squash, and zucchini lengthwise, and cut in half.  Cut tomato and 
onion into thick slices.  Quarter peppers.  Leave muchrooms whole.  Combine 
marinade.  Pour over vegetables.  Chill for 2-3 hours.  Arrange vegetables 
on a broiler pan and bake at 350 degrees for 20 minutes.

I've been using fat free Italian dressing for the marinade and it works 
great.


Carolyn in NW FL

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From don_varner at msn.com  Thu Jan 22 08:05:35 2004
From: don_varner at msn.com (Don Varner)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthybees-mayo?
Message-ID: <BAY3-F155iW1fagxeqp000786be@hotmail.com>

Try grilling your fish using olive oil, and sprinkle with dill weed and 
Lawry's garlic salt.  Delicious.  And if you don't have an indoor grill, 
invest in one.  I grill boneless chicken and porkchops , besides the fish, 
all the time, and they taste great.

Carolyn in NW FL


>From: Cwkalina@aol.com
>To: JOENKAY@ctc.net, healthybees@maddoc.net
>Subject: Re: [Healthybees] healthybees-mayo?
>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:24:10 EST
>
>In a message dated 1/21/2004 6:09:34 PM Mountain Standard Time,
>JOENKAY@ctc.net writes:
>Why would I want the extra calorie of protein (egg) on my fish.....why not 
>an
>olive oil, probably light and then the herbs?
>I never put anything extra on my fish except the seasonings.  It is 
>edible--
>pretty good actually.  We had salmon and orange roughy combination tonight. 
>  I
>didn't have enough salmon.  I sprinkle it with McCormick Steak Seasoning
>which is also very good on steaks!
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Healthybees mailing list
>Healthybees@maddoc.net
>http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees

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From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 08:13:55 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Recipe - Roasted veggies
References: <BAY3-F17eTxFrdxCap500078554@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <400FDAA3.3010200@comcast.net>

Carolyn

Thanks.  Have you ever tried radishes in this mix.  If they aren't 
strong, they are pretty good too.  Reminded me of cooked turnips.  I 
like your idea of using the Italian dressing.

J

Don Varner wrote:
> Thought you all might like this recipe.
> 
> Roasted Vegetables
> 
> 2 yellow squash
> 2 zucchini
> 1 tomato
> 1 purple onion ( I like sweet better)
> 1 red pepper
> 1 green pepper
> 1 lb muchrooms
> (I've also added asparagus and green beans to the mix)
> 
> Marinade:
> 3/4 cup balsamic vinegar
> 3/4 cup vegetable oil
> 3/4 cup honey
> 1 Tbsp salt
> 2 tsp black pepper
> 
> Quarter squash, and zucchini lengthwise, and cut in half.  Cut tomato 
> and onion into thick slices.  Quarter peppers.  Leave muchrooms whole.  
> Combine marinade.  Pour over vegetables.  Chill for 2-3 hours.  Arrange 
> vegetables on a broiler pan and bake at 350 degrees for 20 minutes.
> 
> I've been using fat free Italian dressing for the marinade and it works 
> great.
> 
> 
> Carolyn in NW FL
> 
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Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Thu Jan 22 08:45:56 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Addy?
Message-ID: <1074782756-JOENKAY-3.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

I know that the quilt list use to have another address, and I belonged to a couple other of the lists, but have lost them. Can anyone help?  Thanks in advance,

Kay in Cold NC, Expecting 59-61 this weekend, and 2 days rain.



From don_varner at msn.com  Thu Jan 22 08:48:24 2004
From: don_varner at msn.com (Don Varner)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh -in
Message-ID: <BAY3-F14KpRcTCi90gP000323f9@hotmail.com>

Hi Ellie,

Look on the bright side.  You get your granddaughters to yourself for two 
weeks, and if they're like my grandchildren 3 and 5, you'll lose a few 
pounds just trying to keep up with them.  I usually do.  They were here for 
10 days at Christmas.  With all the goodies around, I didn't gain any weight 
which I usually do during the holidays.  So I feel like I really lost 5 lbs. 
  Does that make sense?

I noticed your e-mail addy is cinci.rr.com.  My family lives in the 
Cincinnati area, Reading, Mason, Sharonville, and Franklin.  I grew up in 
Reading.  Where do you live?

Carolyn in NW FL

>From: "Ellie Marcum" <jmarcum5@cinci.rr.com>
>To: <healthybees@maddoc.net>
>Subject: [Healthybees] Weigh -in
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:42:30 -0500
>
>I have already joined WW 2 weeks ago, I weighed 214 and lost just 2 1/2 # 
>last Wed. It is very hard when your husband eats everything in front of 
>you, that you can't have. I have committed myself to the program for three 
>months. I know just being able to talk to someone at anytime will help me 
>stick to it. It was good to hear someone else weighs over 200#!!!!
>
>I am leaving to go to Salt lake Sat. and I'm dreading it being on this 
>diet. I will be baby sitting two GD ,4 & 5 , for a week.
>I plan to take my quilting with me for when I have free time.
>Any other suggestions?
>
>Ellie
>
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From ndill4 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 10:51:05 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
References: <400EBC31.4060301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001301c3e107$ed801240$72b03d44@compaq>

Hey that's a neat idea, but I'd want to put them someplace where no one else
could see them.  Don't want to really gross someone out.
lol
I mean pictures of me
Nancy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>
To: "Healthy Bee" <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:51 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures


> Boy, do I need some tender loving care now! :) I just had hubby take
> full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.  That was
> really an eye opener.
>
> In my effort to be honest with myself, I wanted to see me as others see
> me.  Not so much that I value their opinion, but just to really see what
> I looked from all the angles.  I look fatter from the back than the
> front.  Looking at me from the side, I'm surprised I can even walk
> straight.  I have an ample bosom and a large gut.  I swear it looks like
> I am going to topple over at any minute.
>
> I am going to have these pictures taken once a month and have recorded
> my weight in the title of one for that date.
>
> I want to record my weight loss visually.
>
> J
> -- 
> Joyce Ragels
>
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From ndill4 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 10:53:26 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] what goal? what gift?
References: <1074708319-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <001d01c3e108$4178f560$72b03d44@compaq>

Kay, you should say when not if, cause I believe you will do it.  And keep
in mind that you will probably lose at least one dress size with each 10#s.
Don't you just love it when those shirts that once were tight now hang like
a sack of potatoes?
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JOENKAY@ctc.net>
To: <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] what goal? what gift?


> Have you set your goal and have you set yourself a gift?
>
> IF I loose another 50 lbs. I will give myself 2 new blouses, 1 pr of
pants, and a new bra.
>
> NOW remember, I have to have larger goals than most of you do.  DO NOT
Expect the results that I want, and have to set.
>
> When my "skinny" blouses hang loose that is my goal.
>
> Kay -
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From ndill4 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 10:54:25 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] what goal? what gift?
References: <1074708319-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <002101c3e108$6504b0a0$72b03d44@compaq>

my goal is abt 130, and I want to borrow a shirt from my skinny daughter.
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JOENKAY@ctc.net>
To: <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] what goal? what gift?


> Have you set your goal and have you set yourself a gift?
>
> IF I loose another 50 lbs. I will give myself 2 new blouses, 1 pr of
pants, and a new bra.
>
> NOW remember, I have to have larger goals than most of you do.  DO NOT
Expect the results that I want, and have to set.
>
> When my "skinny" blouses hang loose that is my goal.
>
> Kay -
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 11:29:22 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
References: <400EBC31.4060301@comcast.net> <001301c3e107$ed801240$72b03d44@compaq>
Message-ID: <40100872.6050003@comcast.net>

Mine were digital and were put in a special file. :)  Lets put it this 
way, they will not be part of the family album, UNTIL I lose my weight 
and then I'll show my before and afters...

J

ndill4 wrote:
> Hey that's a neat idea, but I'd want to put them someplace where no one else
> could see them.  Don't want to really gross someone out.
> lol
> I mean pictures of me
> Nancy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>
> To: "Healthy Bee" <healthybees@maddoc.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:51 PM
> Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
> 
> 
> 
>>Boy, do I need some tender loving care now! :) I just had hubby take
>>full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.  That was
>>really an eye opener.
>>
>>In my effort to be honest with myself, I wanted to see me as others see
>>me.  Not so much that I value their opinion, but just to really see what
>>I looked from all the angles.  I look fatter from the back than the
>>front.  Looking at me from the side, I'm surprised I can even walk
>>straight.  I have an ample bosom and a large gut.  I swear it looks like
>>I am going to topple over at any minute.
>>
>>I am going to have these pictures taken once a month and have recorded
>>my weight in the title of one for that date.
>>
>>I want to record my weight loss visually.
>>
>>J
>>-- 
>>Joyce Ragels
>>
>>Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
>>- Anonymous
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Healthybees mailing list
>>Healthybees@maddoc.net
>>http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From gmasue at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 22 11:48:22 2004
From: gmasue at earthlink.net (Grandma Sue)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
In-Reply-To: <001301c3e107$ed801240$72b03d44@compaq>
Message-ID: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOOEAEFPAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>

And I think we need a place to post them - that way we can all encourage
each other when losses do occur, :-)

??? Grandma Sue
Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
Southern California



> -----Original Message-----
> From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
> [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of ndill4
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:51 AM
> To: Joyce Ragels; Healthy Bee
> Subject: Re: [Healthybees] Pictures
>
>
> Hey that's a neat idea, but I'd want to put them someplace where
> no one else
> could see them.  Don't want to really gross someone out.
> lol
> I mean pictures of me
> Nancy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>
> To: "Healthy Bee" <healthybees@maddoc.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:51 PM
> Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
>
>
> > Boy, do I need some tender loving care now! :) I just had hubby take
> > full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.  That was
> > really an eye opener.
> >
> > In my effort to be honest with myself, I wanted to see me as others see
> > me.  Not so much that I value their opinion, but just to really see what
> > I looked from all the angles.  I look fatter from the back than the
> > front.  Looking at me from the side, I'm surprised I can even walk
> > straight.  I have an ample bosom and a large gut.  I swear it looks like
> > I am going to topple over at any minute.
> >
> > I am going to have these pictures taken once a month and have recorded
> > my weight in the title of one for that date.
> >
> > I want to record my weight loss visually.
> >
> > J
> > --
> > Joyce Ragels
> >
> > Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> > - Anonymous
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Healthybees mailing list
> > Healthybees@maddoc.net
> > http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
>
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From deegee at humboldt1.com  Thu Jan 22 11:50:14 2004
From: deegee at humboldt1.com (Darlene Garrity)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Re: other lists
Message-ID: <000d01c3e110$312d8920$1a2764d8@default>

Kay,  The quilt list used to be on rootsweb.com which is a genealogy site.  They
got rid of all of their "community" lists and we had to find a new home.  We
tried yahoo and one other for a while but finally settled here on maddoc.  If
rootsweb is where you used to belong to other lists, they are just not there any
more.
Darlene in Upstate California

>>>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:45:56 -0500
From: "JOENKAY@ctc.net" <JOENKAY@ctc.net>
To: healthybees@maddoc.net
Subject: [Healthybees] Addy?

I know that the quilt list use to have another address, and I belonged to a
couple other of the lists, but have lost them. Can anyone help?  Thanks in
advance,

Kay in Cold NC, Expecting 59-61 this weekend, and 2 days rain.




From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 12:01:56 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
References: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOOEAEFPAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <40101014.6080505@comcast.net>

I'm game.

J

Grandma Sue wrote:
> And I think we need a place to post them - that way we can all encourage
> each other when losses do occur, :-)
> 
> ??? Grandma Sue
> Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
> When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
> Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
> Southern California
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
>>[mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of ndill4
>>Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:51 AM
>>To: Joyce Ragels; Healthy Bee
>>Subject: Re: [Healthybees] Pictures
>>
>>
>>Hey that's a neat idea, but I'd want to put them someplace where
>>no one else
>>could see them.  Don't want to really gross someone out.
>>lol
>>I mean pictures of me
>>Nancy
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>
>>To: "Healthy Bee" <healthybees@maddoc.net>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:51 PM
>>Subject: [Healthybees] Pictures
>>
>>
>>
>>>Boy, do I need some tender loving care now! :) I just had hubby take
>>>full length pictures of me from the front, side, and back.  That was
>>>really an eye opener.
>>>
>>>In my effort to be honest with myself, I wanted to see me as others see
>>>me.  Not so much that I value their opinion, but just to really see what
>>>I looked from all the angles.  I look fatter from the back than the
>>>front.  Looking at me from the side, I'm surprised I can even walk
>>>straight.  I have an ample bosom and a large gut.  I swear it looks like
>>>I am going to topple over at any minute.
>>>
>>>I am going to have these pictures taken once a month and have recorded
>>>my weight in the title of one for that date.
>>>
>>>I want to record my weight loss visually.
>>>
>>>J
>>>--
>>>Joyce Ragels
>>>
>>>Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
>>>- Anonymous
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Healthybees mailing list
>>>Healthybees@maddoc.net
>>>http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Healthybees mailing list
>>Healthybees@maddoc.net
>>http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 13:02:36 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Dr Phil's show
Message-ID: <21.399bc194.2d41784c@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/22/2004 1:11:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
jburns@bak.rr.com writes:
I have some resistance bands but I don't know what exercises to do with
them, would be interested in what the book has to offer. 
------------
The book is called Curves and it's by Gary Heavin and Carol Colman.  Most of 
the book is about the diet and how it works, menu plans, recipes, and 
exercise.  There are only 15 pages devoted to the at home workout.  The Curves diet 
uses moderate amount of fat.



From metamorphosis at qwest.net  Thu Jan 22 14:49:57 2004
From: metamorphosis at qwest.net (metamorphosis@qwest.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] signing on
Message-ID: <40103775.9293FE64@qwest.net>

Been trying to get on and getting error messages.  Hope this makes it. 

I've been receiving the digest, though, so keeping up with what's
happening.  I want to find an exercise partner.  I want to build
energy.  I don't want or need to lose any more weight.  Sure thought I'd
never say THAT again.  Have a 10 pound cushion over where I would REALLY
like to be, but last spiral I lost 26 pounds in 4 weeks.  That's almost
a pound a day.  2 much, 2 fast.  (Hmmmm!  Reminds me of a movie title. 
LOL)

I hope this shows up on the list
Cate

From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Thu Jan 22 15:23:58 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Recipe - Roasted veggies
In-Reply-To: "Don Varner" <don_varner@msn.com>'s message of Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:49:41 -0600
Message-ID: <3434-40103F6E-2660@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

That list of ingredients looks like my shopping list.  I use the lite
Italian dressing also. I marinate mushrooms in it for our salads- yummy!
Other condiments I use are 'Molly Mc Butter' -on all veggies-  I buy the
big bottles at Sam's.  'Jane's Crazy Mixed Up Salt" it makes almost
anything taste good. I use this with Balsamic vinagar on my salads. It's
course ground with lots of seasoning in it. (It's reeeeally good on home
fries.) ignore those last two words :o))......Some of you mention being
95-110 pounds at one time-  I don't ever remember being that weight-
never ever!  I was 152 in 5th grade- a 'defining moment' in my life as
Dr Phil would say-  tell you about that another time. Lots of issues in
my up-bringing that play a part in how I felt about myself and 'who I am
now'.....Gonna go put on some"rock-n-roll' music and dance while I
vacumn.    Toni Toni - Bo-Boni- Banana - fanna fo foni - me my mo moni
Toni!


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Thu Jan 22 15:29:41 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] signing on
In-Reply-To: metamorphosis@qwest.net's message of Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:49:57
	-0700
Message-ID: <3433-401040C5-3541@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

Welcome Cate!   We all just want to be healthier- the weight loss will
definately help some of us- while the excercise will help all of us.
Toni


From dianemcg at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 22 05:04:28 2004
From: dianemcg at mindspring.com (Diane McGuire)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] missed mail
Message-ID: <BC3517A8.4DD3%dianemcg@mindspring.com>

Hi, HBs,

I sent my crock pot recipes a few times, did it get through?  If not, I will
send them to someone else on the list to try to post.

Diane and Maisie 

From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Thu Jan 22 18:38:08 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] missed mail
In-Reply-To: Diane McGuire <dianemcg@mindspring.com>'s message of Thu, 22
	Jan 2004 06:04:28 -0500
Message-ID: <1522-40106CF0-964@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

Diane, I didn't see them.   Toni


From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 19:13:47 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] missed mail
References: <BC3517A8.4DD3%dianemcg@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4010754B.8040805@comcast.net>

Diane

The only thing to hit the list was the email with your suggestions about 
fish and mayo.

J
Diane McGuire wrote:
> Hi, HBs,
> 
> I sent my crock pot recipes a few times, did it get through?  If not, I will
> send them to someone else on the list to try to post.
> 
> Diane and Maisie 
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 19:16:36 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] walk
Message-ID: <401075F4.2050005@comcast.net>

Well, gals, I couldn't/wouldn/t walk in the rain so I walked around the 
house for 15 minutes.  Don't have a clue how far I walked, but felt kind 
of the same.

I may keep this up until it gets nicer out there because I can do it 
dressed normally and still get something accomplished.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Thu Jan 22 19:34:55 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] walk
References: <401075F4.2050005@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <01e901c3e151$4f79f8a0$0d00000a@candy>

I still feel like the flu is trying to bite me, so I didn't walk outside
either, but did go up and down two flights of stairs repeatedly,
stowing away Christmas ornaments, and answering the phone;
I'm cooking tilapia and rockfish for dinner tonight, to see which
one we like better

and I had Red Zinger herbal tea this morning instead of coffee

Candy




From ctcburns at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 21:31:06 2004
From: ctcburns at yahoo.com (celeste burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Stretchy thingys, vegetables, and my reward for losing weight
Message-ID: <20040123033106.45445.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all:
I have one of those stretchy bands. It came with a book of exercises but I can't put my fingers on either at the moment--probably buried somewhere in the sewing room. I did try the band and it definitely made my muscles work. It also messed up my neck and sent me to the chiropractor. So if you try one, go slowly, and don't pull so hard you hurt yourself.
 
Carolyn's vegetable recipe got my mouth watering.  I think I will make a trip to the grocery store for veggies tomorrow. Yummm! 
 
DD#1, who has just moved home (I told her she could stay for a month and bring only one suitcase--how mean am I?) needs to lose weight also so I am hoping my purging of the cupboards will help both of us.  I also suggested that she and I take up square dancing--DH refuses, says I'll just want to dress up in those full skirted frocks and we'll look ridiculous. DD said she thought that would be fun. So maybe that will be my exercise goal--to start dancing again.  Still haven't tried the lap dancing yet but it is on my agenda for tomorrow between classes.
 
Keep warm everyone.
Celeste, still freezing in PA (as in 9 degrees right now)
 


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From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 23 07:14:25 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI - Friday Weigh In
Message-ID: <40111E31.3030200@comcast.net>

Good Morning

We need something in the subject line to identify the Friday weigh in 
from the other emails.  I've copied the other list.  I would suggest 
that this part be decided sometime before next Friday.  Belle, make a 
management decision. :)

Not sure exactly what or how we are going to do this since this is the 
first time, but I'll give it a go and will correct later if necessary.

I am quite pleased with my results this week.  I started out at 210.  I 
am now 206.

I'm using a modified Atkins, meaning that I don't eat all that much 
beef, more burger than anything else and only buy 93% fat free.  Eat low 
to no carbs.  It has been fish, veggies, and mostly chef type salads all 
week.  Chef salads have had turkey and sliced eggs besides the regular 
salad stuff - mostly lettuce.

Snacking will always be a problem.  When I am hungry or maybe when the 
diabetes tells me I HAVE to eat something, I've been keeping sliced 
turkey and a sugar free jello and cottage cheese mixture that I can eat 
daily and still enjoy in the fridge.  I don't have hardly any things in 
the house that we shouldn't eat.  I suppose that helps.  Hardly means 
York Peppermint patty bit the dust, but that solved my chocolate fix. 
It may be the first time I've ever eaten just one.

I walked outside for the first time in eons and because of the weather I 
walked inside yesterday.  I'll probably end up doing that today also. 
I'll see after it gets light outside.

Right now, I'm looking fwd to next week and this group takes the credit 
for that.

J

-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From ew54926 at alltel.net  Fri Jan 23 11:41:24 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI - weigh-in
Message-ID: <40115CC4.000005.76167@OEMCOMPUTER>

My scale weighs in 2 lb increments so it's difficult to see
small losses.   I'd like to report that I lost 5 lbs, - - - of course
that's not true, but I'd sure like to be able to report that!
   I may have lost 1/2 lb it's hard to tell, maybe by next
week it will show.  So I'm probably 162 1/2 .
   Jeanne


From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Fri Jan 23 11:50:50 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI - Friday Weigh In
References: <40111E31.3030200@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <007201c3e1d9$72591760$0d00000a@candy>

dusted off my bathroom scale, checked to see that 40 pounds
of birdseed weighs 40 pounds on it, turned on the light,
stepped up  --  peeked out of one eye ---  174

better than the 180 I weighed a couple of weeks ago
(both with clothes on  --  then with shorts and rayon blouse,
now with sweats on  --  a tad chilly in western Washington)

we tried a "taste test" last night, cooked up fresh tilapia and
fresh rockfish/snapper  --  all three of us preferred the tilapia,
cooked in a spritz of olive oil in a nonstick pan, with dill
sprinkled over, and just a smidgen of orange juice to keep
it moist  --  not even a teaspoon's worth

both cats and the dog begged at the table, but the only thing
left were a few bones I missed when getting the filets ready
to cook

Candy
(sitting here waiting the required hour for my Fosamax to dissolve,
can't eat or drink anything but water until it does)




From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 23 12:01:51 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] digital scale
Message-ID: <4011618F.9080906@comcast.net>

I purchased a digital scale at Walmart that weighs in half pound 
incriments.  That scale has also been my motivater.   I can tell, by 
what I weigh at night about what I'll weigh in the morning.

I've been trying to weigh every morning with just my pjs on.

I'd heard that looking at the scale is also not the best thing to do and 
that it is better to only weigh yourself once a week.  What are the 
other opinions on that one?  I wonder if it close to a watched pot never 
boils?

With a little bit of luck and more being nice to me, I may be down to 
what I was in October, 203.  After that, well...  I'll just keep 
trucking along.

J

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From gmasue at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 23 12:43:52 2004
From: gmasue at earthlink.net (Grandma Sue)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] digital scale
In-Reply-To: <4011618F.9080906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <IDELIDMLBNPEJGCGKNPOOEDDFPAA.gmasue@earthlink.net>

At WW they tell us to only weigh once a week because your weight can really
fluctuate from day to day and you'll drive yourself crazy weighing every
day.

o?o Grandma Sue
Free Bo Bo Jazzin K C Man
When life hands you lemons, make lemon meringue pie!
Passions: Shelties, Genealogy, Quilting
Southern California



> -----Original Message-----
> From: healthybees-admin@maddoc.net
> [mailto:healthybees-admin@maddoc.net]On Behalf Of Joyce Ragels
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:02 AM
> To: Healthy Bee
> Subject: [Healthybees] digital scale
>
>
> I purchased a digital scale at Walmart that weighs in half pound
> incriments.  That scale has also been my motivater.   I can tell, by
> what I weigh at night about what I'll weigh in the morning.
>
> I've been trying to weigh every morning with just my pjs on.
>
> I'd heard that looking at the scale is also not the best thing to do and
> that it is better to only weigh yourself once a week.  What are the
> other opinions on that one?  I wonder if it close to a watched pot never
> boils?
>
> With a little bit of luck and more being nice to me, I may be down to
> what I was in October, 203.  After that, well...  I'll just keep
> trucking along.
>
> J
>
> J
> --
> Joyce Ragels
>
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From Cwkalina at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 12:53:40 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weighing in
Message-ID: <1de.17668373.2d42c7b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/2004 11:03:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
jragels@comcast.net writes:
I'd heard that looking at the scale is also not the best thing to do and 
that it is better to only weigh yourself once a week.  What are the 
other opinions on that one?
----------------
For me, I don't like to weigh in every day.  There are too many things that 
can affect your weight, water and womanly stuff for examples.  I think I have 
some womanly stuff going on right now cause I weighed in .5 lb up from Monday, 
which is my regular weigh-in day.  I don't think I'm going to like weighing in 
2 times a week either so I may just change my day to Friday, or report 
Mondays weight on Friday.  Hmmm...
        Connie



From bb at inet-direct.com  Fri Jan 23 12:57:01 2004
From: bb at inet-direct.com (bb@inet-direct.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Fri. weigh in
Message-ID: <004301c3e1e2$aff54090$3481e940@Barnettpc>

Lost one pound since Mon. Down to 160 today. LOL

Have started back making fresh carrot juice and that helps curb my appetite, and also get the nutrients that are needed.

DH keeps a large bowl of carrots cleaned and that helps a lot.

Not sure how having a partner works.

Barb B.




From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Fri Jan 23 14:02:00 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] digital scale
In-Reply-To: <4011618F.9080906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1074888120-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Lots of professionals will tell you that if you weigh daily you are being much too hard on yourself. What if you got sick last night and lost 5 lbs overnight, then the next day you gain one or 2 of it back--did you back slide??  Not really, it is a form of your body caring for you......let your body do what it is intended to do.

IF you are sick, don't weigh in. Wait at least 2 days after you are sick......Barb lost 4 lbs with the flu, She can't afford to loose that! Trust me.......

Kick yourself if you have too, but don't kick to high or hard, you will fall over backwards.  Weight loss is a lifetime commitment to a better you and better overall health.

Okay, this is Kay falling off the soap box this Friday, in NC



From jmarcum5 at cinci.rr.com  Fri Jan 23 14:11:54 2004
From: jmarcum5 at cinci.rr.com (Ellie Marcum)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Off-Line
Message-ID: <001001c3e1ed$25eb9240$b27fa518@cinci.rr.com>

I stayed the same this week. I will be leaving to go to SLC and be off line for a week. Everyone keep up the good work and I will report in when I get back.

Ellie


From vickiegen at charter.net  Fri Jan 23 16:52:16 2004
From: vickiegen at charter.net (vickiegen@charter.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Weight Loss
Message-ID: <200401232252.i0NMqGRm089439@mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net>

Hey Bees, I'm might happy today! Terry and I cut back on our carbs (actually Terry started in Dec. and I started the beginning of this month) Anyway, it's working!! I also work out at Curves and today was my weigh and measure day. I lost 3 1/2 inches this month and lost 7 lbs. Woo Hoo!!!  We try not to eat more than 30-40 grams of carbs a day. Cut out sugar, use Splenda instead. No pasta, low carb bread. I found a bunch of low carb recipes online and there are some good dishes out there. Yum. Terry found some dessert recipes too that we have tried and they are good too. Need to find something that will satisfy my chocolate craving though. I will keep you posted. Vickie in Mo.



From deegee at humboldt1.com  Fri Jan 23 18:52:25 2004
From: deegee at humboldt1.com (Darlene Garrity)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] ask Belle
Message-ID: <000b01c3e214$56113f20$9e2664d8@default>

Belle,  Is there a fee for this list like there was for the cyberbee quilting
list?

If she had to pay to get this list started, I suggest we each send Belle at
least a dollar to help her out.

If Belle agrees, you can email me privately for her snail mail address.

Darlene in Upstate California



From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 23 19:07:12 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] ask Belle
References: <000b01c3e214$56113f20$9e2664d8@default>
Message-ID: <4011C540.6040209@comcast.net>

Darlene

VERY good point.  Those of us who are enjoying this list so much should 
at least pay for it.  At the very least, Belle shouldn't have to pick up 
the tab.

J

Darlene Garrity wrote:
> Belle,  Is there a fee for this list like there was for the cyberbee quilting
> list?
> 
> If she had to pay to get this list started, I suggest we each send Belle at
> least a dollar to help her out.
> 
> If Belle agrees, you can email me privately for her snail mail address.
> 
> Darlene in Upstate California
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From belle at bigcountry.net  Sat Jan 24 09:19:02 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] ask Belle
References: <000b01c3e214$56113f20$9e2664d8@default> <4011C540.6040209@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003901c3e28d$66d72df0$052f2745@defaultcomp>

Ladies sorry I have not been online I had a ear infections so I was not feeling very good, the list was not but few bucks to add to what we have and I already had one lady help with so it is covered we are paid up until June , thanks for the offer


Belle


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joyce Ragels" <jragels@comcast.net>
To: "Darlene Garrity" <deegee@humboldt1.com>
Cc: "healthybees" <healthybees@maddoc.net>; "Belle Long" <belle@bigcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Healthybees] ask Belle


> Darlene
> 
> VERY good point.  Those of us who are enjoying this list so much should 
> at least pay for it.  At the very least, Belle shouldn't have to pick up 
> the tab.
> 
> J
> 
> Darlene Garrity wrote:
> > Belle,  Is there a fee for this list like there was for the cyberbee quilting
> > list?
> > 
> > If she had to pay to get this list started, I suggest we each send Belle at
> > least a dollar to help her out.
> > 
> > If Belle agrees, you can email me privately for her snail mail address.
> > 
> > Darlene in Upstate California
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Healthybees mailing list
> > Healthybees@maddoc.net
> > http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joyce Ragels
> 
> Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
> - Anonymous
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


From ndill4 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 24 09:23:44 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Off-Line
References: <001001c3e1ed$25eb9240$b27fa518@cinci.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3e28e$0e8d98e0$72b03d44@compaq>

I'm down 1 1/2 lbs this week,
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ellie Marcum" <jmarcum5@cinci.rr.com>
To: <Healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] Off-Line


I stayed the same this week. I will be leaving to go to SLC and be off line
for a week. Everyone keep up the good work and I will report in when I get
back.

Ellie

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From dianemcg at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 23 05:14:44 2004
From: dianemcg at mindspring.com (Diane McGuire)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] crock pot recipes
Message-ID: <BC3666D1.4DE8%dianemcg@mindspring.com>

Hi, HBs,

I don't have recipies but rather cooking techniques to bring out the most
flavor.  The Food Channel calls it layering flavors.

Veggies:

First of all, most ingredients are cooked before putting them in the crock
pot.  This allows the flavors to develop.  I use just a little olive oil.
You need a little oil to get them to carmelize. Onions are cooked until
golden brown, so are any other veggies like celery, carrots cut into small
pieces or grated (yes, they carmelize).  It brings out the rich natural
sugars.  It takes a little time, but not much work.  The stove does the
work, you just come along and stir once in a while.  It takes half an hour
or so on a medium heat.  You are also concentrating the flavors as you are
cooking the water out.  If I am adding garlic I add it just for the last
five minutes to cook.  You do NOT want to brown garlic, it becomes very
bitter.

Stock:

The best stock comes from BONES.   I watch for sales on any kind of chicken
parts.  Wings, legs, thighs, breasts, or whole chickens.  Here again, cook
the chicken first in the oven to brown the skin and juices.  Make sure you
use a pan that you can deglaze.  I like using glass as it seems to clean up
easier.  I cook at  rather high temp. which browns the skin and doesn't dry
out the chicken.  If you want to eat the meat, remove the skin (oops, I
don't always do this as I like it too much) and cut the meat off the bones.
Some meat will remain which is good.  Put the skin and bones (what you will
be after a few months) into the crock pot.  Deglaze the pan with a cup or so
of boiling water, scraping up all the bits of cooked on juice that is nice
and brown. Put it all in the crock pot and enough water to cover.  Cook on
MEDIUM for at least 12 hours.  If you cook on high the broth will not be
clear. Let cool a little.  Remove the chicken, strain the broth and run it
through a fat separator.  (or put in fridge and skim the fat off when it
gets settled)  Pick any meat off the remaning bones and return to the pot.

Soup:

Add above cooked veggies to the stock and cook for a few more hours.  I
usually add a large can of diced tomatoes too. You should begin to taste the
difference.  It usually takes four to six hours to really develop.

Last minute additions:

If I am adding mushrooms usually cook them and add them for the last hour.
They sometimes get too soft if you cook them for a long time.   Also chopped
spinach goes in right at the end.  If I were adding brocolli I would cook it
in the microwave and add it at the end too.  Same with green beans.  I don't
like those veggies overcooked.

If you are adding BROWN rice, cook it first and add it in the last hour.  I
do not add any kind of pasta or potatoes.  You don't need them.  Sometimes I
will take a piece of whole wheat or pumpernickle bread and tear it into the
hot soup.


Beef (get a very lean piece and remove all fat) :

You do not need to brown it, but it tastes better.  Usually I just throw it
in the bottom, add chopped onions and mushrooms (I don't care if they break
down here) garlic, pepper (optional) and at least a cup of red wine.  You
could use tomato juice if you don't want to use wine.  The latest I read on
the Food Channel is that most of the alcohol cooks out, but not totally
unless you cook it a very long time. So if you want to avoid all alcohol,
don't use the wine.  Cook at least 12 hours until the beef shreds. You can
thicken this a little and/or stir in low fat or no fat sour cream.

Salt:

I got used to cooking without salt when I cooked for my parents.  I add it
when I eat.  Still do that.  I know I use too much salt, but at least adding
it at the end I add it to the top so a little gives more taste.  If your
food tastes flat, try adding lemon juice.  The acid really improves just
about anything. You could add lemon peel to your chicken soup too.  Greek
lemon chicken soup is really yummy.

Turkey Chili

I got a good deal on ground turkey.  Made a vat of chili yesterday.  Browned
turkey, added cooked onions, garlic, tomato.  I didn't have a big can of
tomato sauce so I used a small can of tomato paste.  Turned out really rich
and thick.  Also added some extra chicken stock, a small can of diced
tomatoes and a small can of tomato sauce.  It is still a little thick, but
delicious.  Add chili powder to taste.  I added it to the cooking turkey to
flavor the meat.  I cooked it six hours on low (my stove has a good very low
setting)  I served it over green beans rather than pasta, etc.  You could
add any kind of beans too depending on what kind of diet you are on.  Beans
are carbs, but they are no fat and have lots of other good things in them.

Let me know if any of you try these.  I would love to get more ideas too.

Diane and Maisie who is getting lots of execise with new jingle bell balls 

From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 21:06:56 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Salad Dressing Recipe
Message-ID: <12d.39a3f99d.2d448cd0@aol.com>

Vivian Chase sent this recipe to the list in May.  I made some modifications 
to it and it is really yummy and not too bad for you either unless your 
watching your fat!  

Vic's Salad Dressing

1 Tbsp grated Onion
1/2 C sugar
1/2 C vineger
juice of one lemon
1/2 C salad oil
1/3 C tomato Puree
1/3 C tomato ketchup
1/4 tsp black pepper
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp dry mustard
one clove of garlic

Shw said not to put in the blender, just mix well.  Mash the garlic befor 
mixing in-- I used a garlic press.

I put in 4 envelopes of Equal instead of the sugar -- you can experiment with 
how much to add.  That's just how I liked it.  I didn't have any dry mustard 
so I added a tsp of mustard.  I didn't have any tomatoe puree so I added 
tomato sauce.  It is tangy and nice.  A 2 TBSP serving is 92 calories, 9.49 g fat 
and 2.46 g carbohydrates.

Vivian said she got this from a man who ran a bowling alley lunch room in the 
60's and he gave it to her with the understanding that she not give it to 
anyone around there (Colorado Springs, CO.)  Pssst -- don't tell her!

Connie in Colorado Springs, CO!



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 21:22:45 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] health
Message-ID: <4c.275b13d0.2d449085@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2004 5:33:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
bb@inet-direct.com writes:
mercola.com
---------
Just visited this site.  I only read the first page, but it sounds a lot like 
what the curves diet is based on.  Also, there is a good book I have been 
reading written by a guy from Harvard who supports the lower carbohydrate theory. 
 He, Walter C. Willett, M.D., slams the food pyramid.  It's a great book -- 
called Eat, Drink, and Be Healthy, the Harvard Medical School Guide to Healthy 
Eating.  Connie in Colorado



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 21:27:57 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Another Awesome Recipe
Message-ID: <11d.2a73a521.2d4491bd@aol.com>

This is the only way to eat fish!  Well, coming from a gal that hasn't found 
many good ways to cook fish-- this is one I like!  I changed the recipe a bit 
for myself.

Original Sole Recipe

Onion chopped, 1/2 C. celery chopped, Green Pepper chopped, 4 T margarine, 
tomato sauce - 8 oz., 1/2 tsp salt, 1/2 tsp curry powder, 1/2 tsp pepper.  Cut 
fish into bite sized pieces.  Cook over stove with other ingredients for 30 
minutes. Serve over rice or noodles.

My version:  I always use orange roughy, don't ever use the margarine anymore 
(found it makes little difference), and eat it without the rice or noodles. 

Connie in Colorado



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Sat Jan 24 21:33:49 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Salad Dressing Recipe
References: <12d.39a3f99d.2d448cd0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01a201c3e2f4$0ed5dc20$0d00000a@candy>

for those of us also staying away from refined sugar,
possibly substituting tomato paste for the ketchup
(read the label, most have quite a bit of sugar)
would be wise  ...  I think the ?sun?dried tomato in tomato
paste contains fructose rather than sucrose ...

I'll use Splenda rather than Equal  --  that's a personal
preference

I suspect it might be tastier and better for us to substitute
olive oil for the salad oil

sounds really good, better than the ranch dressing I've
been using  (seems to have the least carbs of bottled dressings)

Connie, I promise not to pass this along to Kelli or Karen !
(both of whom live near Colorado Springs)

Candy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cwkalina@aol.com>
To: <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: January 24, 2004 07:06 PM
Subject: [Healthybees] Salad Dressing Recipe


> Vivian Chase sent this recipe to the list in May.  I made some
modifications
> to it and it is really yummy and not too bad for you either unless your
> watching your fat!
>
> Vic's Salad Dressing
>
> 1 Tbsp grated onion
> 1/2 C sugar
> 1/2 C vinegar
> juice of one lemon
> 1/2 C salad oil
> 1/3 C tomato puree
> 1/3 C tomato ketchup
> 1/4 tsp black pepper
> 1/2 tsp salt
> 1/2 tsp dry mustard
> one clove of garlic
>
> She said not to put in the blender, just mix well.  Mash the garlic before
> mixing in-- I used a garlic press.
>
> I put in 4 envelopes of Equal instead of the sugar -- you can experiment
with
> how much to add.  That's just how I liked it.  I didn't have any dry
mustard
> so I added a tsp of mustard.  I didn't have any tomatoe puree so I added
> tomato sauce.  It is tangy and nice.  A 2 TBSP serving is 92 calories,
9.49 g fat
> and 2.46 g carbohydrates.
>
> Vivian said she got this from a man who ran a bowling alley lunch room in
the
> 60's and he gave it to her with the understanding that she not give it to
> anyone around there (Colorado Springs, CO.)  Pssst -- don't tell her!
>
> Connie in Colorado Springs, CO!





From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Sat Jan 24 21:36:16 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] health
References: <4c.275b13d0.2d449085@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01ab01c3e2f4$64cd9c80$0d00000a@candy>

not a bad idea to go back and read Adelle Davis's books,
since she was one of the first to talk about low-refined-carbs;
so much of what she wrote has turned out to be good advice

at the time she was ridiculed as a "food faddist"  --

Candy




From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 21:33:39 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Excess Weight and Cancer
Message-ID: <84.2114b332.2d449313@aol.com>

Here's another site that talks about the link between excess weight and 
cancer.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/NWS_1_1x_Excess_Weight_Linked_to_900
00_US_Cancer_Deaths_Annually.asp

Connie in Colorado



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 21:37:40 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Salad Dressing Recipe
Message-ID: <c4.3c04862.2d449404@aol.com>

Candy,  That's a good idea about the tomato paste.  I didn't think of that.  
I did use the olive oil -- that's all I use anymore.  If you get the extra 
virgin kind it doesn't taste too strong and can be used in anything.  Connie



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 22:21:08 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Check out this site
Message-ID: <f9.3677c531.2d449e34@aol.com>

Look at this site for some good low carb recipes.  I found a lot of fish and 
chicken recipes as well as dressings.  

http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/Cookbook

Connie in Colorado



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sun Jan 25 12:22:19 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Just checking in!
In-Reply-To: Cwkalina@aol.com's message of Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:46:24 EST
Message-ID: <7766-4014095B-33@storefull-3296.bay.webtv.net>

I just got the companion book to the SBD-" Fat and Carb counter".  I
just look at the column that says whether it's -good- limit- or avoid
--and don't count calories or portions but just choose from the 'good'
column and adjust to the sample diets for each day.  Was surprised that
they say regular mayo is 'good' and the reduced fat to 'avoid' -must
have sugar in it........  I was just thinking of a way to substitute the
ketchup in that dressing also- think you may have to add a little
vinegar to the paste. Doesn't ketchup have vinegar in it? ......Just
down one pound this week- but tomorrow is weigh in for us- that's when
it counts for me - hope it falls off tonight :=)) - Think it'll work  if
I dream I'm exercising all night? <g>..  I ate one too many apples this
week- had some lite yogurt too. . Was just thinking I might go back to
phase 1 after next week. Kinda like level out for 2 weeks - then go back
to the  quick weight loss phase again......... I take thyroid medication
- I have a very low metabolism - low blood pressure - low pulse.  So I
think loosing this weight will be slow also unless I get some exercise -
and that's going to be a problem again- there's a snow storm a headin
this way. We stopped at the farm mart on the way back from the hospital
this morning ( DH brain MRI) and stocked up on our veggies- and WalMart
for thread- can't be caught without thread with a snow storm
coming!.....BTW Jack lost 15 pounds in 3 weeks... I'm so happy for him!
Hope he keeps it up .     Toni   (I remember Adelle Davis!)


From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 25 15:25:02 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] gained a pound
Message-ID: <4014342E.2070509@comcast.net>

Hubby and I went out to eat yesterday and I gained a pound.  Boy, I 
didn't think I was that bad, but guess even a little bit bad means you 
have to pay for it.  Well, back to the drawing board.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 25 16:41:16 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Excess Weight and Cancer
References: <84.2114b332.2d449313@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4014460C.8020208@comcast.net>

The web site didn't wrap right.  Try this:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/NWS_1_1x_Excess_Weight_Linked_to_90000_US_Cancer_Deaths_Annually.asp

Interesting article.

J

Cwkalina@aol.com wrote:
> Here's another site that talks about the link between excess weight and 
> cancer.
> http://www.cancer.org/docroot/nws/content/NWS_1_1x_Excess_Weight_Linked_to_900
> 00_US_Cancer_Deaths_Annually.asp
> 
> Connie in Colorado
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Sun Jan 25 16:44:26 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:37 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Check out this site
References: <f9.3677c531.2d449e34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <401446CA.1010107@comcast.net>

Connie

There are some real keeps there.  I looked through several sections. 
Hubby and I have horrible sweet tooths.  I found a Key Lime pie I think 
we can live with.  It sounds really good.

Thanks

J

Cwkalina@aol.com wrote:
> Look at this site for some good low carb recipes.  I found a lot of fish and 
> chicken recipes as well as dressings.  
> 
> http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/Cookbook
> 
> Connie in Colorado
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Mon Jan 26 03:35:07 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] crock pot recipes
In-Reply-To: <BC3666D1.4DE8%dianemcg@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1075109707-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Diane, you have some wonderful words of wisdom with your recipes.

I disagree with your salt part however.  I was taught by a dietian/weight specialist doctor that if you add salt in the cooking stage that you use less ....never set it on a table, instead put something like spices/ or spiced salts...you use even less salt.

If you splurge for a roast beef or pork, or....don't forget to take the leftovers, deglaze that pan also, seperated the fat, and put in a zip type baggie, freeze and  you have the head start for your favored soup stock.

Sometimes I make what is called a MESS Day in the kitchen.  I start with lots of chopped onions when they are on sale, grate the carrots, etc.  I brown them like you said--bigger batches, but not so big that they sweat only, I brown them. I cool them and put into individual baggies for the freezer again deglazing the pan and putting some in each bag.  Half of my soup is ready before I do anything. AND it has taken less time, it is in the freezer ready for company, or a quick meal, or a headstart in the money saving department.  Lazy me, I only have one pan to wash for numerous soup pots.  I do this also for spaghetti, lasagne, etc.  I have been known to chop and clean 20 lbs of onions at a sitting.

Garlic-clean it, and chop finally and put in a glass jar, pour olive oil over it and refridgerate it til you need a pinch, alot, or even a couple tablespoons full at a time.  Again clean up time is quicker, and you can instantly see that you do or don't have any on the shelf.  If you like the whole cloves, you can drop whole cloves in olive oil in the fridg also.

FAT STRAINER- cool your liquid, but not enough time to get it in the fridge, drop in a few ice cubes, it will dilute the soup, but you usually don't care.....and you can quicker skim off the fat too.

Do you remember the poem Peas Porridge Hot--in the pot 9 days old?  The longer soups are cooked, it is believed that there are less calories, you retain more of the vitamins and minerals, and yet your body digests it better also.

Musrooms are strange, they add extra moisture also to the soup.

I have bought several flats of mushrooms and dried them - clean, slice and put on baking sheets in the oven, dried or dehydrate, and put in glass jars with lids.  Keep in the dark cabinet. Light is a killer on this.  Looks so pretty in the jars I must say.  Remember that they develope a stronger taste but are worth the work of brush the mushroom, never cleann in water.

RED Wine--here you are adding lots of sugar type calories, and yes the flavor is wonderful!  Try the drier type of wines if you are going to use them.

Before I fall off the soap box, try venison or buffalo as an alternate meat.  Both have less calories.  Buffalo studies by heart specialists in IL say: less in cholesterol, less in calories (than chicken), and overall better for you if you are eating red meat.  Now if you are serious on buffalo and don't have an outlet, I can hook you up with a company in Colorado.  They sell jerky, and any other cut of meat you want from hamburger to roasts and steaks.

Buffalo has to be cooked slower, and on a lower temp or you kill it!  If you cook a roast in the oven of beef at 350, drop the temp to about 300-320 for buffalo.  I wish I could afford to eat it all of the time....and probably could if I would just give in to it.....because it is more filling overall, and better for me.

Happy eating and keep up the good work everyone!
Snowed yesterday, turned to freezing ice, and no school today here.  BUT DH was called yesterday....2 people quit at his job, and last week he had only 15 hours, this week, it sounds like he can have 65-75 hours......good for me cutting blocks.....

Love to all, Kay in NC 



From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 08:59:12 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] crock pot recipes
References: <1075109707-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <40152B40.6010305@comcast.net>

Kay

What a nice post.

Thanks

J

JOENKAY@ctc.net wrote:
> Diane, you have some wonderful words of wisdom with your recipes.
> 
> I disagree with your salt part however.  I was taught by a dietian/weight specialist doctor that if you add salt in the cooking stage that you use less ....never set it on a table, instead put something like spices/ or spiced salts...you use even less salt.
> 
> If you splurge for a roast beef or pork, or....don't forget to take the leftovers, deglaze that pan also, seperated the fat, and put in a zip type baggie, freeze and  you have the head start for your favored soup stock.
> 
> Sometimes I make what is called a MESS Day in the kitchen.  I start with lots of chopped onions when they are on sale, grate the carrots, etc.  I brown them like you said--bigger batches, but not so big that they sweat only, I brown them. I cool them and put into individual baggies for the freezer again deglazing the pan and putting some in each bag.  Half of my soup is ready before I do anything. AND it has taken less time, it is in the freezer ready for company, or a quick meal, or a headstart in the money saving department.  Lazy me, I only have one pan to wash for numerous soup pots.  I do this also for spaghetti, lasagne, etc.  I have been known to chop and clean 20 lbs of onions at a sitting.
> 
> Garlic-clean it, and chop finally and put in a glass jar, pour olive oil over it and refridgerate it til you need a pinch, alot, or even a couple tablespoons full at a time.  Again clean up time is quicker, and you can instantly see that you do or don't have any on the shelf.  If you like the whole cloves, you can drop whole cloves in olive oil in the fridg also.
> 
> FAT STRAINER- cool your liquid, but not enough time to get it in the fridge, drop in a few ice cubes, it will dilute the soup, but you usually don't care.....and you can quicker skim off the fat too.
> 
> Do you remember the poem Peas Porridge Hot--in the pot 9 days old?  The longer soups are cooked, it is believed that there are less calories, you retain more of the vitamins and minerals, and yet your body digests it better also.
> 
> Musrooms are strange, they add extra moisture also to the soup.
> 
> I have bought several flats of mushrooms and dried them - clean, slice and put on baking sheets in the oven, dried or dehydrate, and put in glass jars with lids.  Keep in the dark cabinet. Light is a killer on this.  Looks so pretty in the jars I must say.  Remember that they develope a stronger taste but are worth the work of brush the mushroom, never cleann in water.
> 
> RED Wine--here you are adding lots of sugar type calories, and yes the flavor is wonderful!  Try the drier type of wines if you are going to use them.
> 
> Before I fall off the soap box, try venison or buffalo as an alternate meat.  Both have less calories.  Buffalo studies by heart specialists in IL say: less in cholesterol, less in calories (than chicken), and overall better for you if you are eating red meat.  Now if you are serious on buffalo and don't have an outlet, I can hook you up with a company in Colorado.  They sell jerky, and any other cut of meat you want from hamburger to roasts and steaks.
> 
> Buffalo has to be cooked slower, and on a lower temp or you kill it!  If you cook a roast in the oven of beef at 350, drop the temp to about 300-320 for buffalo.  I wish I could afford to eat it all of the time....and probably could if I would just give in to it.....because it is more filling overall, and better for me.
> 
> Happy eating and keep up the good work everyone!
> Snowed yesterday, turned to freezing ice, and no school today here.  BUT DH was called yesterday....2 people quit at his job, and last week he had only 15 hours, this week, it sounds like he can have 65-75 hours......good for me cutting blocks.....
> 
> Love to all, Kay in NC 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Mon Jan 26 09:01:27 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] vegetable soup -mushrooms
In-Reply-To: "JOENKAY@ctc.net" <JOENKAY@ctc.net>'s message of Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:35:07 -0500
Message-ID: <8948-40152BC7-2485@storefull-3294.bay.webtv.net>

Kay,  I totally disagree with you about cooking vegetable soup.
Vegetables have the most vitamins raw- the more you cook them the more
vitamins you 'distroy'.  They might still be in the soup- but dead)
Peas porrage nine days old- might mean when you cook something it always
tastes better the next day- or nine days after the flavors marry.
Besides, chewing vegetables burns more calories than swallowing.  I
don't always believe what has been passed down by our mothers or GM. If
they learned the wrong way they pass it down wrong through the next
generation. And just because mom says so it isn't alway right.....You
are correct about not washing mushrooms ---here's a good example of what
I'm trying to say.  My mom always made mushrooms- (I didn't realize this
till after I learned on my own) she washed and peeled them- I remember
her saying  "look at all the water that comes out of the mushrooms."-
and they were always very dark...I learned the right way and taught
her..she still insisted on peeling them though. I just cut some
mushroomss  for marinading in italian dressing... and now I'm hungry for
Vegetable soup.    Toni


From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Mon Jan 26 09:33:38 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthy-questions-electrolites, Pottassium
Message-ID: <1075131218-JOENKAY-21.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Okay, I know that these are important.  With too fast of weight loss, you will upset these balances.  I know only blood tests give exact results, but tell me how do I tell if I am having problems earlier than that.....the tests take days.

I realize that chicken breasts, bananas, and the area around skins on baked potatoes contain the highest levels of potassium. But after awhile, YUCK!  Any other suggestions?

Cinnamon helps blood sugar levels naturally, and so does blueberries.....I have learned that.  BUT have you ever added cinnamon or blueberries to other cooking-kids love both in pancakes and french toast.  Yes I eat french toast.  Think about the bread, egg, and some peanut butter (love with the cinnamon!).....OJ and milk......balanced nearly perfect. 

I don't know what I did last night, but I dropped my sugar count this morning over 50 points from what is usual. YIPEE

Finally I give in for Breakfast.  Kay in cold NC



From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 11:48:06 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Heavy meal at noon
Message-ID: <401552D6.4060504@comcast.net>

I going to try to start eating my heaviest meal at noon and only have a 
salad at night.  I need either a good breakfast or a good lunch to keep 
me going for the rest of the day.  I know that won't work a lot of days, 
but it is something I'm going to strive for anyway.

I read about a group of people divided into 3 groups.  They each ate 
exactly the same things, each got exactly the same amount of exercise, 
each had the same age groups, in other words all things were totally 
equal except for when they consumed their biggest meal of the day. 
Those who ate their heaviest meal for breakfast lost the most weight, 
lunch second and supper last.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 12:33:35 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] scales
Message-ID: <40155D7F.3020403@comcast.net>

I've decided against all your wonderful and sage advice and I'm going to 
weigh myself daily, but really only pay close attention to the weekly 
amount.  I know that what we eat, how much water we drink, whether or 
not we are well or sick, whether or not we are constipated, or have not 
cleaned out the lint from our belly button all affect our weight.  I 
loved the advice about not really paying too much attention to a 5 to 10 
lb spread.  Now while I might feel stronger about that if I were down to 
my eventual high weight of 130, at my current over 200, it just doesn't 
work for me.  I am setting mini goals for me in 10 lb increments.  I 
don't mind eating more salads to get there.  I ate myself into this mess 
and I'm going to eat my way out.  Once I get there and sometimes along 
the way, I'll be treating myself to the forbidden zone!!! :)

This time, I just feel differently about losing the weight.  It was 
something I always thought about usually AFTER consuming a handful of 
cookies or half a cheesecake or a half of bag of candy.  I always seemed 
to think about what I was doing after I had already done it.  This time 
I'm thinking about it before.  Now that doesn't sound like much, but it 
is an entirely new way for me to look at things.  When I ate the 
peppermint patty, I knew what I was doing and did it anyway.  Now while 
that many seem bad, I only had one which is a huge change over what I 
would have done before.  I had access to two and didn't touch the other 
one.  I know there are going to be ups and downs.  I know there is going 
to be that hated plateau where regardless what I do, nothing seems to 
help.

Anyway, I'm going to use my daily weighing as loose incentive to keep on 
track.  I am also going to continue having hubby take my picture from 
all angles once a month.  I'm kind of anxious to see when it actually 
looks like I've lost weight.  Unfortunately the heavier a person is the 
longer it takes for any outward sign of weight loss to show.  I have 
pants that are looser.  No danger of any falling off yet, but I'm 
looking fwd to that day too.

I feel what has really helped me this time, is to have the encouragement 
of all of you.  I've never joined a weight loss group before.  Don't 
know what I really expected, but it has been very pleasant so far.

Thanks to all of you.

J


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Mon Jan 26 12:44:00 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Heavy meal at noon
In-Reply-To: <401552D6.4060504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1075142640-JOENKAY-7.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

I've heard that, about the heavier meals in the morning. 

My step grandfather ate eggs, pork something, toast, sometimes added pancakes, etc....and coffee for breakfast for all of his life.  He quit driving at age 92 1/2, and died after age 94.

EGGS? and lots of liquor too I am afraid.  He was heavy and from Norway. Farmer most of his life.

We don't need those calories, but I think I should try for a larger lunch.
Kay



From ndill4 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 13:57:54 2004
From: ndill4 at comcast.net (ndill4)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] healthy-questions-electrolites, Pottassium
References: <1075131218-JOENKAY-21.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <006501c3e446$b0911e50$72b03d44@compaq>

my daughter suggested putting a dash of cinnamon in your coffee
Nancy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JOENKAY@ctc.net>
To: <healthybees@maddoc.net>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: [Healthybees] healthy-questions-electrolites, Pottassium


> Okay, I know that these are important.  With too fast of weight loss, you
will upset these balances.  I know only blood tests give exact results, but
tell me how do I tell if I am having problems earlier than that.....the
tests take days.
>
> I realize that chicken breasts, bananas, and the area around skins on
baked potatoes contain the highest levels of potassium. But after awhile,
YUCK!  Any other suggestions?
>
> Cinnamon helps blood sugar levels naturally, and so does blueberries.....I
have learned that.  BUT have you ever added cinnamon or blueberries to other
cooking-kids love both in pancakes and french toast.  Yes I eat french
toast.  Think about the bread, egg, and some peanut butter (love with the
cinnamon!).....OJ and milk......balanced nearly perfect.
>
> I don't know what I did last night, but I dropped my sugar count this
morning over 50 points from what is usual. YIPEE
>
> Finally I give in for Breakfast.  Kay in cold NC
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees


From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Mon Jan 26 14:39:55 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Heavy meal at noon
In-Reply-To: Joyce Ragels <jragels@comcast.net>'s message of Mon, 26 Jan
	2004 10:48:06 -0700
Message-ID: <8473-40157B1B-1652@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>

Must be something to that! We usually have an omlet with cheese or
canadian bacon- and some kind of veg,like mushrooms -peppers and onions
- spinach - V-8 and coffee for breakfast.  For lunch a very large salad
of about 8 vgetables-  ( serving bowl size for each of us) with chicken
or turkey or ham or tuna or cheese- whatever for variety.  This is so
filling that we're rarely hungry in the evening.  We're eating so much
better and feeling less tired too......I made pork tenderloin and
cauliflower for lunch today.  I tried that recipe for mock mashed
potatoes with the cauliflower -yuk!!  mush!  It's better in it's natural
form. Good thing I only used a little to experiment- the dog liked it!
Toni


From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 14:58:29 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Heavy meal at noon
References: <8473-40157B1B-1652@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <40157F75.9090805@comcast.net>

Toni

I think any of the mock uses for cauliflower, it has to be on the not 
quite done side.  I love it as a veg, so I can eat it any way.

Isn't it a bitch to try and retrain our tastebuds?  Mine are still 
screaming for chocolate, cheesecake, basically anything over 500 
calories.  It seems that taste is closely related with the caloric 
content. :)

I know, one day I will learn to really enjoy eating salad. NOT!!!  I 
love an occasional salad.  I love salad with a meal.  I am eating large 
quantities of salad and veggies because I want to lose weight.

Hot Fudge Cake vs cucumber.
Pecan Praline toping on a chocolate cheesecake vs celery

You see what I mean.  It just loses something in the translation. :)

I have fat tastebuds.  If I had skinny tastebuds, maybe I wouldn't be so 
fat.  Maybe if I wasn't a good cook...

Got a chicken in the pot.  I'll be busy in the office today.  Tonight 
I'm trying those oven green beans with the chicken.

J

Toni wrote:
> Must be something to that! We usually have an omlet with cheese or
> canadian bacon- and some kind of veg,like mushrooms -peppers and onions
> - spinach - V-8 and coffee for breakfast.  For lunch a very large salad
> of about 8 vgetables-  ( serving bowl size for each of us) with chicken
> or turkey or ham or tuna or cheese- whatever for variety.  This is so
> filling that we're rarely hungry in the evening.  We're eating so much
> better and feeling less tired too......I made pork tenderloin and
> cauliflower for lunch today.  I tried that recipe for mock mashed
> potatoes with the cauliflower -yuk!!  mush!  It's better in it's natural
> form. Good thing I only used a little to experiment- the dog liked it!
> Toni
> 
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From bb at inet-direct.com  Mon Jan 26 16:29:44 2004
From: bb at inet-direct.com (bb@inet-direct.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Health
Message-ID: <021c01c3e45b$e6961c20$2182e940@Barnettpc>

Some think we should eat 80% of our food raw, fat chance. I took an herbal class by mail and theysaid to not eat anything with food coloring in it and not to eat any processed food. But ,almost everything has food coloring even toothpaste.

When my potassium was low the Dr. told me to eat dried apricots.

I haven't set any amount of weight to loose, would be happy if my clothes fit better. Put on a pair of slacks ( make that tried to put them on) couldn't get in them. LOL

Barb B.............Hope everyone in the ice and snow is safe and warm.



From jragels at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 22:01:34 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Green beans
Message-ID: <4015E29E.6060707@comcast.net>

I tried the oven roasted green beans tonight.  I really liked them, but 
hubby was not all that impressed.  I figure they'll grow on him. :)

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Mon Jan 26 22:49:07 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Heavy meal at noon
References: <8473-40157B1B-1652@storefull-3297.bay.webtv.net> <40157F75.9090805@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <01a401c3e493$5af2e8a0$0d00000a@candy>

recall reading something about a weight loss inspiration speech,
where one member of the audience was asking the speaker
what he meant by temptation foods

his answer:

"now I know you are not going to drive all over town at 2 AM
because you are hungry for BROCCOLI  ! " ....


all that makes me think about what tempts me, and makes me
try to figure out why  --  and what I can reasonably substitute

Candy

definitely on a diet this week, as I'm on jury duty ...  cannot eat
and drink just anytime I feel like it




From jragels at comcast.net  Tue Jan 27 06:40:03 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Denise Austin quote
Message-ID: <40165C23.6050304@comcast.net>

Retire this bad, old dieting motto: "If only I had more willpower, I 
could go hungry more often." Replace it with a kinder, gentler, and more 
effective one: "Great, I'm hungry?a clear signal that it's time to eat." 
Remind yourself that attempting to override or defeat your body's hunger 
signals is a terrible misuse of willpower.

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From belle at bigcountry.net  Wed Jan 28 10:29:18 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] I am ready to get rolling again
Message-ID: <004b01c3e5bb$e196fe40$0e2f2745@defaultcomp>

Good morning Ladies, I was sick last week and have not been watching my diet or exercising but I am not letting myself give up I am ready to commit again and back into what I should be doing I am trying to get my life better organized so that it does not get hard to eat healthy I think one of my problems with fast food is I get so bogged down and overwhelmed in my life and time that it is so much easier to order pizza then to cook supper


Belle


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From ew54926 at alltel.net  Wed Jan 28 12:30:26 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] I am ready to get rolling again
References: <004b01c3e5bb$e196fe40$0e2f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <4017FFC2.000001.91219@OEMCOMPUTER>

I'm with you, Belle. It is so-o-o easy to run over to
McDonald's at lunch time.
    I am finding that the more I try not to eat, the more I
think about food!
    Jeanne 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Evelyn Long
Date: 01/28/2004 10:30:09 AM
To: Healthy Bee
Subject: [Healthybees] I am ready to get rolling again
 
Good morning Ladies, I was sick last week and have not been watching my diet
or exercising but I am not letting myself give up I am ready to commit again
and back into what I should be doing I am trying to get my life better
organized so that it does not get hard to eat healthy I think one of my
problems with fast food is I get so bogged down and overwhelmed in my life
and time that it is so much easier to order pizza then to cook supper
 
 
Belle
 
 
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http://www.cyberbees.net
http://www.quiltingisfun.com
 
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From ctcburns at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 13:46:57 2004
From: ctcburns at yahoo.com (celeste burns)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Another hard drive bites the dust
Message-ID: <20040128194657.91958.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi friends:
My computer at home crashed on Sunday (3x in 18 mos.) so I am getting far behind on my e-mail. I can sneak in a few minutes at work but I can't keep up with everyone so I'll just skim for the next week or so. My DD#1 is home (temporarily, I think) and she is on a weight loss journey too so we did yoga together Sunday.  Not my thing, I decided. Tonight I am going to see if I can get her to try Sweatin' to the Oldies with me.  It is still too cold to go outside unless absolutely essential. I came to work in a skirt today, but with two slips and a pair of cotton knit slacks over my panty hose. Maybe I really am losing weight under all these clothes, but who would know?  Just me, I guess.
I'll be back when I can.
Celeste


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From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 28 17:23:31 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] I am ready to get rolling again
In-Reply-To: <004b01c3e5bb$e196fe40$0e2f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <1075332211-JOENKAY-2.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Belle, Fast food seems to be the easy way out, but not good as it carries way too many carbs, or sugars.  So glad that you are feeling better.

I have learned to do a couple mass cooking days.....helps the budget as I buy some in bulk.  One time of washing the same pot or pan, and the measuring cup if I am using similar items.

I have found that Zip style baggies can be reused, or tupperware, or plastic tubs.

I set up the flour, sugar, baking soda, powder, salt, etc.  I number cards with #1, #2, etc......on the top I put the name of the bagged item.  I measure the dry ingredients in the bag, and on the card label it for the wet ingredients.  Okay I have made homemade cornbread, cake for 2 and not 20.....etc.  They go in a shoe box, want a plastic one for ease of cleaning next.

In a hurry, dump in a bowl, and add the wet things, and it is almost as fast as fast food, and cheaper.

Freeze leftover meats, veggies and warm them to go with it. Nothing faster, and less wasteful.....

Kay, 
Day 3 no school here, 44 degrees today and freezing below 20 tonight.  I have 3 of 4 grandkids all afternoon and night and tomorrow til supper time.



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Wed Jan 28 17:28:50 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] OT( healthy)This is funny............
Message-ID: <1075332530-JOENKAY-3.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

I got this today in an email from a very young girl and thought I could pass it along.Kay


>This is funny............
>
>Now I lay me Down to sleep.
>I pray the Lord my shape to keep.
>Please no wrinkles
>Please no bags
>And please lift my butt
>Before it sags.
>Please no age spots
>Please no gray
>And as for my belly
>Please take it away.
>Please keep me healthy
>Please keep me young
>And thank you Dear Lord
>For all that you've done.
>
>..................................................................................................................
>
>
>Five tips for a woman....
>
>1. It is important that a man helps you around the house and has a job.
>
>2. It is important that a man makes you laugh
>
>3.It is important to find a man you can count on and doesn't lie to you.
>
>4. It is important that a man loves you and spoils you.
>
>5. It is important that these four men don't know each other.  (JUST
>KIDDING)
>



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Wed Jan 28 22:13:18 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] I am ready to get rolling again
References: <004b01c3e5bb$e196fe40$0e2f2745@defaultcomp>
Message-ID: <00a101c3e622$37105680$0d00000a@candy>

try this, Belle

every time you cook dinner, cook for "one extra person" and
put that food in a leftover frozen-dinner tray or in Tupperware
or in aluminum foil, label it, and put it in your freezer

then you will have ready-cooked meals that you only have
to defrost in your microwave (take the foil off first, of course !)
and you can have quite a variety built up

used to do that when my life was so chaotic due to job, that
I never knew whether I'd get home in time to cook for demanding
husband or not  (kids didn't care) ...

also, if you have a crockpot  --  it's fairly easy and quick to
throw veggies and a whole chicken carcass in one in the
morning, and have it ready at night  --  or to do the same for
soups/stews ...
Candy




From dianemcg at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 29 05:50:26 2004
From: dianemcg at mindspring.com (Diane McGuire)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] food coloring
Message-ID: <BC3CFEAF.4E3F%dianemcg@mindspring.com>

Hi, HBs,

I use Tom's of Maine toothpaste.  It is all natural with no food coloring
and I think no artifical sweeteners.  I like all the flavors.  It is a bit
expensive, but you don't use much.  I don't know if it is available in all
areas, you might find it at a health food store.  Most grocery stores and
drug stores around here carry it.

Kay,  I love your suggestion of a messy kitchen day to prepare veggies in
large batches.  Only problem is I have no room in the freezer. I promise
myself to eat out of the freezer but then one of the grocery stores has a
fantastic sale and I stock up again.  We have three major stores within a
couple of miles of me and they are fighting very hard for customers.  I like
that but I have stocked up on just about everything I can.  I have a two
year's supply of paper towels because the price was so amazingly low.  I
know it was well below what the store paid wholesale

Diane 

From belle at bigcountry.net  Wed Jan 28 10:32:05 2004
From: belle at bigcountry.net (Evelyn Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] I may be out for a few days
Message-ID: <005101c3e5bc$44a6f2b0$0e2f2745@defaultcomp>

Friday I will be installing a Ethernet card into my computer and switching over to dsl  I don't know what the new address is but as soon as I am back online I will send it out to everyone  I am going to use sbc  they had it for 26.95 a month for a years contract


Belle



From metamorphosis at qwest.net  Thu Jan 29 13:50:33 2004
From: metamorphosis at qwest.net (metamorphosis@qwest.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Lost 3 pounds I don't want to lose
References: <20040129180004.28027.58863.Mailman@mail.maddoc.com>
Message-ID: <40196409.EF823CFD@qwest.net>

I weighed in at the doctors' office today to find I had lost 3 pounds
this week.  I thought I would have gained from all the eating I have
done.  I finally got a little appetite back.  But I have been climbing
stairs 4 or 5 times a day, I guess that has taken the extra calories. 
You will all hate me if I tell you how much cheesecake, potato chips and
dip, custard filled donuts, and pizza I have eaten.  I have also lost 3
inches around my waist.  That I'm pleased about.  After the "tummy tuck"
reconstruction ( They took my humungous stomach and put it where my boob
used to be.) I had a figure like a tree trunk--straight up and down. 
(36-31-36)  Could hardly tell there was a difference from one to the
other.  Now I'm down to a 28 inch waist.  Pants I haven't been able to
wear since 1983 are baggy in the seat and thighs (where I was always
heaviest) and button comfortably around the waist.  I'm sure glad I kept
those brown leather pants I love so much and couldn't get one leg in for
years.  Never thought I'd wear them again.  I actually have a waist
again.  But losing the 3 pounds in one week, bringing me down to 132, I
don't want to do.  A good weight for a "healthy" me is 125.  But I lost
26 pounds in a month last Spring.  I want to keep the "extra" 10 pounds
as a cushion.  I don't want to be "unhealthily" skinny.  Ha, Ha as if
the cancer cares.  LOL  Any way, I came home and had a custard filled,
chocolate iced donut for lunch with whole milk.  The doctor wants me to
focus on fats and proteins.  I'll have to get some protein a bit later,
the donut was calling me much more loudly and pathetically than any kind
of protein was.   

Sorry if I have an opposite problem to yours.  I remember wishing I had
my girlfriend Celeste's problem for all those years I was way too
heavy.  She can't keep weight on.  Be careful what you wish for.  
Cate Daniell
New Mexico, USA

From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 13:59:58 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Lost 3 pounds I don't want to lose
References: <20040129180004.28027.58863.Mailman@mail.maddoc.com> <40196409.EF823CFD@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <4019663E.7030204@comcast.net>

Cate

We all suffer from a weight problem, we're just on the other side of the 
scale.  Although I can't eat what is now mandatory for you, I shall live 
vicariously through your taste buds.  The grass is always greener...

If you are sucking down bavarian cream donuts, when you take your next 
bite, just pretend that one's for me. :)

When my daughter had to gain weight for sports, her coach had her eating 
a malt which included an egg(s) and a banana along with part cream and 
whole milk as her drink along with a big breakfast.  It did put a few 
pounds on her.  I've also heard of people who need to gain weight 
drinking the diet drinks along with their meals.  You might ask your 
doctor what he thinks of that.

Just as much as I hope I keep losing, I'm going to hope and wish with 
all my heart that you will gain enough that your doctor tells you that 
you can back off a little now.

J


metamorphosis@qwest.net wrote:
> I weighed in at the doctors' office today to find I had lost 3 pounds
> this week.  I thought I would have gained from all the eating I have
> done.  I finally got a little appetite back.  But I have been climbing
> stairs 4 or 5 times a day, I guess that has taken the extra calories. 
> You will all hate me if I tell you how much cheesecake, potato chips and
> dip, custard filled donuts, and pizza I have eaten.  I have also lost 3
> inches around my waist.  That I'm pleased about.  After the "tummy tuck"
> reconstruction ( They took my humungous stomach and put it where my boob
> used to be.) I had a figure like a tree trunk--straight up and down. 
> (36-31-36)  Could hardly tell there was a difference from one to the
> other.  Now I'm down to a 28 inch waist.  Pants I haven't been able to
> wear since 1983 are baggy in the seat and thighs (where I was always
> heaviest) and button comfortably around the waist.  I'm sure glad I kept
> those brown leather pants I love so much and couldn't get one leg in for
> years.  Never thought I'd wear them again.  I actually have a waist
> again.  But losing the 3 pounds in one week, bringing me down to 132, I
> don't want to do.  A good weight for a "healthy" me is 125.  But I lost
> 26 pounds in a month last Spring.  I want to keep the "extra" 10 pounds
> as a cushion.  I don't want to be "unhealthily" skinny.  Ha, Ha as if
> the cancer cares.  LOL  Any way, I came home and had a custard filled,
> chocolate iced donut for lunch with whole milk.  The doctor wants me to
> focus on fats and proteins.  I'll have to get some protein a bit later,
> the donut was calling me much more loudly and pathetically than any kind
> of protein was.   
> 
> Sorry if I have an opposite problem to yours.  I remember wishing I had
> my girlfriend Celeste's problem for all those years I was way too
> heavy.  She can't keep weight on.  Be careful what you wish for.  
> Cate Daniell
> New Mexico, USA
> _______________________________________________
> Healthybees mailing list
> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Thu Jan 29 18:06:52 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Lost 3 pounds I don't want to lose
In-Reply-To: <4019663E.7030204@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1075421212-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Okay, I have a way that Cate can solve her weight loss problem!

I think you should call your doctor and see if he will do a reverse tummy tuck like thing....no name for it.  I will gladly give you....say about 200 lbs!  WHY?? Well you think about it, it will take you 50 lbs of loss in the hospital for the surgery if I have this figured out right.  Then you will still have about 150 lbs......that should get you thru about 1-2 years of weight loss.  Then, and only then will I give you the next 150-200 lbs more.  Knowing my luck, by then, I will have 200 lbs more to give you.....

Now, I am not laughing, I am very serious about this.  I would give you 20 inches in the bust and at least 2-3 full cup sizes.  But I would like it taken off like a slab of meat from top to bottom......yes, you get lots and lots of butt.

You find the doctor Cate, schedule it, and I will be the first donor.....

Not 10 years ago, I could lift with my legs over 800 lbs, so I know you will be getting some muscle with all that fat.  I could bench press over 450-500 lbs at one time a little further back than that.......so you might be ahead of the game.

Now if in the mean time someone else needs this great amount of weight, I will help be the first 2 donors on the list, count them and I will be there........

In the mean time, I would like someone out there to please eat the biggest chocolate anything for me......now, and in one hour, and one hour later, until midnight!  Sure glad that there isn't a plain chocolate Hershey's candy bar in the house, and I can't go outside to get one.....won't give my hubby a list with it on it.......Make sense?

Grandsons ate over half a cake I had in the house left from lunch yesterday.  MY dil yesterday said "WHAT kind of cake is that????"  DS Said there is only 2 kinds of cake, hot cake and cold cake......you take the cold cake and nuke it to make it hot, and the hot cake can sit for a minute and it will be colder.  She isn't going to eat any....but slides to the other end of the table from me....and get this....takes small pieces of cake out of the pan until she has eaten 3 large servings of cake.  HOW does that make her on a diet?

I also didn't get 2 Dr. Phil books, I got 1 on his, and one of Dr. Atkins diet. Comparison material I suppose.

Okay I am waiting for the date for surgery Cate, and oh yes, I am O positive blood...if that helps.

Kay in cold NC.....muddy too



From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 20:31:13 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Lost 3 pounds I don't want to lose
References: <1075421212-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <4019C1F1.8000903@comcast.net>

Kay / Cate

OMG, I was ROTFL.  If Cate wants an option for blood type, I'm 0 
negative and I'm willing to donate an easy 75 lbs with experienced 
muscles that are aware of most excerising, but have learned how to avoid 
most.  I'm also most anxious to get rid of my fat elbows, so, Cate, if 
you have skinny boney elbows, I can sure fix you up.  In fact, mine have 
been growing so well in the last 10 to 20 years that I may have 10 lbs 
on each arm.  I too am willing.

Hubby and I went out to eat after all our labs and tests were done.  You 
should NEVER allow two fat hungry people in Furr's (cafeteria style). 
Furr's was the closest place.  Hubby didn't finish up until 4:30 and we 
hadn't eaten all day.  We were starved.  I didn't do too bad with 
dinner, but just HAD to get this piece of pie.  It looked so good.  It 
was just OK.  I was some kind of a cream pie.  I scraped off the whipped 
cream - can't stand the artifical sprayed air and took a taste.  I'm 
still not quite sure what kind of a pie it was.  I even gave hubby a 
taste and he didn't know either.  Now I've made lots of pies in my time 
and eaten a whole lot more and this was something new.  My theory is 
that if I can't identify it, it had no calories. :)

I don't even want to think about weighing in tomorrow.  I was bad, then 
I was good, today I was bad again.  I wonder if I can dream off at least 
a pound or two.

J

JOENKAY@ctc.net wrote:
> Okay, I have a way that Cate can solve her weight loss problem!
> 
> I think you should call your doctor and see if he will do a reverse tummy tuck like thing....no name for it.  I will gladly give you....say about 200 lbs!  WHY?? Well you think about it, it will take you 50 lbs of loss in the hospital for the surgery if I have this figured out right.  Then you will still have about 150 lbs......that should get you thru about 1-2 years of weight loss.  Then, and only then will I give you the next 150-200 lbs more.  Knowing my luck, by then, I will have 200 lbs more to give you.....
> 
> Now, I am not laughing, I am very serious about this.  I would give you 20 inches in the bust and at least 2-3 full cup sizes.  But I would like it taken off like a slab of meat from top to bottom......yes, you get lots and lots of butt.
> 
> You find the doctor Cate, schedule it, and I will be the first donor.....
> 
> Not 10 years ago, I could lift with my legs over 800 lbs, so I know you will be getting some muscle with all that fat.  I could bench press over 450-500 lbs at one time a little further back than that.......so you might be ahead of the game.
> 
> Now if in the mean time someone else needs this great amount of weight, I will help be the first 2 donors on the list, count them and I will be there........
> 
> In the mean time, I would like someone out there to please eat the biggest chocolate anything for me......now, and in one hour, and one hour later, until midnight!  Sure glad that there isn't a plain chocolate Hershey's candy bar in the house, and I can't go outside to get one.....won't give my hubby a list with it on it.......Make sense?
> 
> Grandsons ate over half a cake I had in the house left from lunch yesterday.  MY dil yesterday said "WHAT kind of cake is that????"  DS Said there is only 2 kinds of cake, hot cake and cold cake......you take the cold cake and nuke it to make it hot, and the hot cake can sit for a minute and it will be colder.  She isn't going to eat any....but slides to the other end of the table from me....and get this....takes small pieces of cake out of the pan until she has eaten 3 large servings of cake.  HOW does that make her on a diet?
> 
> I also didn't get 2 Dr. Phil books, I got 1 on his, and one of Dr. Atkins diet. Comparison material I suppose.
> 
> Okay I am waiting for the date for surgery Cate, and oh yes, I am O positive blood...if that helps.
> 
> Kay in cold NC.....muddy too
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Thu Jan 29 21:10:13 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Lost 3 pounds I don't want to lose
References: <1075421212-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost> <4019C1F1.8000903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <009701c3e6de$a1e0d360$0d00000a@candy>

oh, ugh, FURR'S ....

that's really what started this weight gain for me, while we
were in Texas visiting DH's many many cousins
(do not think there is a major city in TX that does not have one !)

much prefer a place like Golden Corral where you go visit
different "islands" and serve yourself, rather than the old
cafeteria line-up where you can't see what's ahead so you
take what's being dished up in front of you

then you feel guilty about wasting food if you don't eat it all ...

anyone else have the same sort of experience?

Candy




From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Thu Jan 29 21:11:08 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Joyce's note to Cate
In-Reply-To: <4019C1F1.8000903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1075432268-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Okay Joyce, I think I established that  Cate and I are both OK on that blood thing, sorry.

NOW is there anyone else that would like a few hundred pounds? I am still on position one and two....Joyce is on position 3.  We both have O blood.

I wonder if you run in your dreams......does that constitute cold weather excercise? I wish!  I dreamed eating marshmellows one night, and woke up to no pillow.....it had slid under the bed....before I started storing stuff there. LOL, got ya-bet you thought I had eaten it!

Those stupid docs will send me on fasting of 12-14 hours for blood work, forget me til I have been over 20 hours, and then wonder why I get those low marks for the dark, but so high for the month. NO LOGIC!  (sorry to those in medical field)

I don't know what to do to curb that starvation syndrome. Any suggestions?  It is only once every 3 months now, but use to be every 6 weeks or less.

I have been known to take crackers and OJ. Helps, but that sugar high and low is harder to take than starvation sometimes.

Glad we only have one buffet place in the area.  I don't like it that well. I love a cashier, the manager/owner, and a couple of the waitresses, but that doesn't get me in there but once every 3-5 weeks.  Not bad I guess, but I have to have dessert....try for the fruit if it looks good, and try something I don't get at home.  I do good without the bread.  I try for a salad, and lots of the veggies that are cooked.  I have taken several kinds of meat, but little portions....like a bite or two, and then share with the grandkids if they come along.  Seems to make me feel like I have had a lot of variety, and lots of food.  Seems to work. Usually blood sugar is lower that next day.

I still can't get over the fact that I can waste food.  I grew up with....EAT EVERYTHING on your plate.  Don't you want some more, GOOD GIRLS can have more helpings.....you know the routine.

I toss it if it can't be frozen, used up tomorrow, or I have been known to send it to a senior that doesn't cook at home much, I also send plates with our son to work for a hot FREE supper. I can and do freeze alot for a second meal.  I have a college freshman that visits, and send it home with him sometimes too.

I do not like cooking for 2 or 3, and hate the taste of a tiny roast.  I love the smell as much as the taste.  

Kay in NC, still waiting for Joyce.....and Art.



From jragels at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 21:19:31 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Lost 3 pounds I don't want to lose
References: <1075421212-JOENKAY-1.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost> <4019C1F1.8000903@comcast.net> <009701c3e6de$a1e0d360$0d00000a@candy>
Message-ID: <4019CD43.2000303@comcast.net>

Candy

All I heard about when I was little were all those poor starving 
children in Yugoslavia.  Eventually I was able to leave something 
behind.  Now I can honestly say, that is one thing about food that does 
not bother me.

What did bother me was what a BIL used to say, "Better to leave it on 
the outside that have it on the inside".  I always felt him looking at 
me when he said that.

J

Candy and Bruce Hughes wrote:
> oh, ugh, FURR'S ....
> 
> that's really what started this weight gain for me, while we
> were in Texas visiting DH's many many cousins
> (do not think there is a major city in TX that does not have one !)
> 
> much prefer a place like Golden Corral where you go visit
> different "islands" and serve yourself, rather than the old
> cafeteria line-up where you can't see what's ahead so you
> take what's being dished up in front of you
> 
> then you feel guilty about wasting food if you don't eat it all ...
> 
> anyone else have the same sort of experience?
> 
> Candy
> 
> 
> 
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Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 08:10:39 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Angel Food Cake with Blueberries and Strawberry Sauce
Message-ID: <401A65DF.90708@comcast.net>

Just found this on another list.  I'll be remembering this one when the 
strawberries are in full season.

Angel Food Cake with Blueberries and Strawberry Sauce

Angel food cake is a best bet for weight watchers because it has no fat. 
Dress it up with an easy low-cal fruit sauce and extra berries for a 
dessert you can enjoy without guilt.

3 cups sliced strawberries
2/3 cup apple juice
1 cup nonfat vanilla yogurt
1 angel food cake (12 ounces)
2 cups blueberries

In a food processor or blender, puree the strawberries with the apple 
juice. Transfer to a medium bowl and fold in the yogurt.  Cut the cake 
into 12 slices. Spoon about 1/2 cup of the strawberry mixture over each 
slice. Sprinkle with the blueberries.  Makes 12 servings.  Per serving: 
122 calories, 0.3 g. fat (2% of calories), 1.6 g. dietary fiber, 0 mg. 
cholesterol, 90 mg. sodium.  from Mother Nature recipes

-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 08:29:32 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI
Message-ID: <401A6A4C.7060300@comcast.net>

Well gals, I was both surprised and relieved to find that I lost a half 
pound this week.  I was bad, good, bad most of the week.  Now I'm 
getting back on track.  I've always known emotions play an important 
part in my weight problem.  I guess I was always waiting for some kind 
of magical cure.  Maybe I wanted to go into the magic elevator fat on 
one floor and come out skinny AND beautiful on another.  I know I didn't 
want to commit for anything long term.  I know I want a quick fix.  I 
know I'm my own worst enemy.  I can be a horrible perfectionist 
sometimes and a downright slob the next.  I never forgave myself for 
cheating while on a diet.  I felt anyone who couldn't stay on a diet for 
their own good deserved to be fat.  Once I slipped before, that ended 
the diet.  That flaw proved I was unworthy to be thin again.  I'm 
grateful I no longer feel that way.

Because of this group and the great support, I've accepted some new 
truths about me.  I also forgive me for the cheating I have done and 
will continue to do.  I passed a milestone last night.  Last night was a 
high stress emotionally charged night when normally I would have binged 
on just about anything.  I was craving chocolate in the WORST way.  I 
was pacing like a caged animal.  I drank water.  I ate a few dried 
cherries.  I ate some cheese.  I still wanted chocolate.  I guess I was 
getting so bad that dear hubby offered to get dressed and go up to the 
store to get me a candy bar.  Once he offered, the little light went on 
inside me.  I told him thanks but no thanks.  On previous times, he has 
made the trip and I've sucked down all he brought home.  Now I'm not 
saying those cravings went away, but I rode them out and finally went to 
sleep.

This morning I feel good.  Hubby is in there frying up some bacon.  And 
I'm having a BLT for breakfast without the bread.

Thanks for allowing me to share what I've tried to never think about 
before.  In my quest for honesty, maybe I will find my answer.

Electronic Hugs and Warm Fuzzies to all

J
-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Fri Jan 30 08:54:27 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Healthy-OT on Choc
Message-ID: <1075474467-JOENKAY-3.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Okay, I did the get rid of Pepsi and cola's.  I didn't realize how hooked I was til I got rid of it. One sip and I was back on the cola wagon......took at least 6 weeks to get rid of that rush that I kept looking for.

Chocolate is worse.  It will take about 6-14 weeks to get rid of that desire and craving.  It is possible to rid it out. BUT remember that it is like a true drug.  Taper off.  IF you would have eaten 2 candy bars, cut back to one, then 1/2 or a couple kisses....

Try holding hands with DH or boyfriend instead of eating.  Take hubby on a walk with you, or the dog or the grandkids.....maybe a neighbor.  Reach out....touch someone.  There is endorphines that are released with food and touch too.  Which has the less calories?

I am beautiful....fat or not. I never knew that.  Did you?  My sister is the skinny, tall blonde with blue eyes.  I never knew she was jealous of me til a few years ago.  I am outgoing, she isn't, I can sew, and she really is only begining to learn at 49 yrs of age.  She is college educated. I have common sense, and learned everything the hard hard way.

She has no kids, never will, and hubby makes her pay her way in their marriage.....you get the idea.......I am the one that is more blessed!  Fat or not, I can cook anything for any amount of people.  She called me to cook for 86 people for Friday night supper, 3 meals on Saturday and 2 on Sunday......all on an open fire.  She had the check book, I did the work.

So be yourself, be beautiful, and congrads on 1/2 lb, 1 lb or 10. Today is the first day of the rest of your life. You deserve to be skinny-er too......

Kay in NC....



From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 09:22:44 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Healthy-OT on Choc
References: <1075474467-JOENKAY-3.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>
Message-ID: <401A76C4.3030608@comcast.net>

Kay

I nominate you to be our cheerleader.  You are just terrific.

J

JOENKAY@ctc.net wrote:
> Okay, I did the get rid of Pepsi and cola's.  I didn't realize how hooked I was til I got rid of it. One sip and I was back on the cola wagon......took at least 6 weeks to get rid of that rush that I kept looking for.
> 
> Chocolate is worse.  It will take about 6-14 weeks to get rid of that desire and craving.  It is possible to rid it out. BUT remember that it is like a true drug.  Taper off.  IF you would have eaten 2 candy bars, cut back to one, then 1/2 or a couple kisses....
> 
> Try holding hands with DH or boyfriend instead of eating.  Take hubby on a walk with you, or the dog or the grandkids.....maybe a neighbor.  Reach out....touch someone.  There is endorphines that are released with food and touch too.  Which has the less calories?
> 
> I am beautiful....fat or not. I never knew that.  Did you?  My sister is the skinny, tall blonde with blue eyes.  I never knew she was jealous of me til a few years ago.  I am outgoing, she isn't, I can sew, and she really is only begining to learn at 49 yrs of age.  She is college educated. I have common sense, and learned everything the hard hard way.
> 
> She has no kids, never will, and hubby makes her pay her way in their marriage.....you get the idea.......I am the one that is more blessed!  Fat or not, I can cook anything for any amount of people.  She called me to cook for 86 people for Friday night supper, 3 meals on Saturday and 2 on Sunday......all on an open fire.  She had the check book, I did the work.
> 
> So be yourself, be beautiful, and congrads on 1/2 lb, 1 lb or 10. Today is the first day of the rest of your life. You deserve to be skinny-er too......
> 
> Kay in NC....
> 
> 
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-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From Cwkalina at aol.com  Fri Jan 30 11:52:15 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Reporting in
Message-ID: <cb.3c96b903.2d4bf3cf@aol.com>

Lost two pounds.  Yea!  Connie



From av8ryx at yelmtel.com  Fri Jan 30 13:05:06 2004
From: av8ryx at yelmtel.com (Candy and Bruce Hughes)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI
References: <401A6A4C.7060300@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <008501c3e764$b6d71280$0d00000a@candy>

essentially no change for me this week, scale says 170-1/2
(needle between 170 and 171)  --  and I was wearing a muumuu
and have had two cups of coffee and half a fresh pear this AM

jury duty is both good and bad  --  the first couple of days,
we had coffee and tea available to us when we weren't in the
courtroom

then on the third day, other jurors brought in "stuff" for everyone
to share

raspberry filled donuts
Doritos and Cheetos
chili-cheese Fritos
pretzels
several types of cookies, most with chocolate
Nips candy
PayDay candy

just the SMELL of all that made me salivate uncontrollably

not to mention that it's a bit boring to sit there, waiting to
be called back into the courtroom  ... staying alert but
in "Pause mode", so to speak

then DH brought me a package of chocolate goodies that
said "I Love U", thinking he was rewarding me ...

had hoped to lose a couple or three pounds this week but
now feel glad I didn't gain much if any

oh, in this county, we get Fridays off unless the jury is
actually deliberating  (judges do not sit in court Fridays other
than to hear verdicts rendered)

back to intense concentration on Monday  --  amazing how much
energy it takes to pay close attention to every single word, item,
and movement, all day

Candy




From ew54926 at alltel.net  Fri Jan 30 13:37:01 2004
From: ew54926 at alltel.net (walsh)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Friday report
Message-ID: <401AB25D.00000B.76821@OEMCOMPUTER>

I've been to WalMart twice and both time forgot to check for
a better scale!   But the old scale says straight up 160 so
that's 3 lbs lost since we started this.   Hope I can keep those
3 off and lose 2 or 3 more in the next couple of weeks.
      Jeanne


From Cwkalina at aol.com  Fri Jan 30 15:13:22 2004
From: Cwkalina at aol.com (Cwkalina@aol.com)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI
Message-ID: <142.217e8d4a.2d4c22f2@aol.com>

Are you Christian Joyce?  If so, there is a Bible verse about resisting 
temptation that might help you.  Let me know if you are interested.

It is very good that you stuck to your guns.  That is difficult to do, but 
gets easier with time.  One thing I have a problem with is thinking about the 
food I could have.  Once I let it into my mind, I get the cravings and "have" to 
have it.  That happened to me last night.  I keep trying to tell myself to 
chase those "thoughts" out of my head and then the actual eating won't take 
place either.  Easier said than done.  Of course when I was heavy it was very easy 
to chase the idea that I was fat out, or the idea of weighing out.  I can do 
it -- just have to make up my mind that I want to.  It was easier when I was 
heavier because I was uncomfortable and wanted to be comfortable again.  Now 
I'm comfortable, but know a healthy weight is less than I'm at now.  

You are taking great first steps.  Just keep hanging in there.  Learning to 
forgive yourself for backslides is key also, I think.  I used to fall 
completely off the diet wagon when I fell off for a binge, but now I get right back on 
it.  It's a good feeling to be in control.  

Connie in Colorado



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Fri Jan 30 17:30:09 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Friday report
In-Reply-To: "walsh" <ew54926@alltel.net>'s message of Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:37:01 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
Message-ID: <14870-401AE901-869@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>

Only one pound lost this week- and  still being good.  189-177  Did any
of you watch Opra today? That should have put a scare in everyone.
Toni


From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 18:28:33 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Friday report
References: <14870-401AE901-869@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <401AF6B1.1050002@comcast.net>

Toni

After reading your note, I went on the net to see what her program was 
all about.  There is a series of pictures that show how we damage our 
bodies.  I'm sorry I missed the show.  I'll bet it was very interesting 
even if it was pretty gross at times.

Congrats to you!!!

J

Toni wrote:
> Only one pound lost this week- and  still being good.  189-177  Did any
> of you watch Opra today? That should have put a scare in everyone.
> Toni
> 
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-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From bellelong at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 30 18:34:57 2004
From: bellelong at sbcglobal.net (bellelong@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI
Message-ID: <004c01c3e792$0e01b420$220110ac@EvelynsComputer>

FWI   is short for Friday weigh in , I thought that one up all by myself :) 

Ok I am still at 250    but if I hold onto the sink it I can make it go down to 200  does that count :)


Belle



From belle at bellescreations.com  Fri Jan 30 10:55:29 2004
From: belle at bellescreations.com (Belle Long)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] new email address / Kyle and Evelyn Long
Message-ID: <003d01c3e752$0bf50f50$220110ac@EvelynsComputer>

As of today we have changed our email provider so please update our information from belle@bigcountry.net     to bellelong@sbcglobal.net


Thanks Evelyn


From jragels at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 18:40:59 2004
From: jragels at comcast.net (Joyce Ragels)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI
References: <004c01c3e792$0e01b420$220110ac@EvelynsComputer>
Message-ID: <401AF99B.5060609@comcast.net>

I'm with you! Feel good weighing should count too! :)

J

bellelong@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> FWI   is short for Friday weigh in , I thought that one up all by myself :) 
> 
> Ok I am still at 250    but if I hold onto the sink it I can make it go down to 200  does that count :)
> 
> 
> Belle
> 
> 
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> Healthybees@maddoc.net
> http://www.maddoc.net/mailman/listinfo/healthybees
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-- 
Joyce Ragels

Life is simpler when you plow around the stumps.
- Anonymous



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Fri Jan 30 21:13:04 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Friday report
In-Reply-To: <14870-401AE901-869@storefull-3298.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <1075518784-JOENKAY-4.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Ophrah was wonderful beyond words!!! And to know it is reversible......wow!

That doc has a new seris coming on Monday nights on Discovery channel I think I caught at the end of the show.  Maybe my DH saw the part about doctors doubling what you tell them you smoke. I doubt it......but can hope!

We discussed that my eyes and kidneys' don't show any abuse yet, and that is over 23 +yrs of diabetes.....
and weight.
Kay in warm NC.....missing my day with Joyce & Art.



From JOENKAY at ctc.net  Fri Jan 30 21:16:14 2004
From: JOENKAY at ctc.net (JOENKAY@ctc.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] FWI
In-Reply-To: <004c01c3e792$0e01b420$220110ac@EvelynsComputer>
Message-ID: <1075518974-JOENKAY-5.smmsdV2.0.3@localhost>

Belle, that does count on the sink! That is called kenitic energy, and if you do it for the next 10 days, you could lose about 10 lbs......no calls to the fridge, snacks etc.LOL....stuck in the bathroom. Only kidding.

Seriously, no weight loss isn't so bad.  Remember that you will hit these level off points.  Better than a weight gain RIGHT?
You bet you!

Keep it up. It will come off. Don't get in a hurry. You want it to stay off.
Kay in NC



From Y2Kswap at webtv.net  Sat Jan 31 05:43:54 2004
From: Y2Kswap at webtv.net (Toni)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] Friday report
In-Reply-To: "JOENKAY@ctc.net" <JOENKAY@ctc.net>'s message of Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:13:04 -0500
Message-ID: <8239-401B94FA-6917@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>

That Dr 'has' been on the Discovery channel - I've caught several shows
already.  DH doesn't like to watch that stuff- I watch while sewing
upstairs. DH stopped smoking in 1980?  Cancer showed up 1999- so his
lungs didn't reverse enough.  Toni 

My Photo Albums: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4004684  




From bellelong at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 31 13:08:49 2004
From: bellelong at sbcglobal.net (bellelong@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu Aug 25 16:22:38 2005
Subject: [Healthybees] flylady web site
Message-ID: <012001c3e82d$a90c6500$220110ac@EvelynsComputer>


Ladies I found this great website on motivation helping to get your life in order  http://flylady.net
not as much diet as just learning to organize your life  , in book organizing your life will help us lead healthier life styles

Belle